Harold Smith?

[mkk41]

The thread on gun magazines got me thinking about the glaring errors I've read recently.

Article in current GUNS special issue says that the meeting to acquire the patent on the bored thru cylinder was between Rollin White , Harold Smith and Daniel Wesson , ,"

Past issue of American Rifleman says the N-frame "was originally known as the S-frame"!

G&A article said the 1903A3 was made by "Remington and International Harvester"!

Does anyone check the FACTS anymore?

 

[Mule Packer]

To answer your question...No. Especially now with the internet.

As Abraham Lincoln once said, "Not everything you read on the internet is true."

 

[Aticus]

Is it not checking their facts or poor proof reading and editing? I'm not an expert linguist or a qualified english teacher but some of what I see is terrible. I make my share of mistakes in typing and spelling (thank you who ever invented the spell checker) but I don't make my living producing written articles. Could it be that we rely too much on our word processing software to correct the stuff we write?

 

[Checkman]

Past issue of American Rifleman says the N-frame "was originally known as the S-frame"!

Is that a mistakes? Because it's my understanding that the 44 framed revolver had an S prefix the serial number until the late sixties when they switched to the N prefix. Elmer Keith refers to the large frame as the S frame in his classic "Sixguns" (1955). Or is it a mistake because the large frame was originally referred to as the 44 frame? No argument here. I'm genuinely curious. That's all.

 

[Checkman]

Hello? Anybody there? Okay check back later.

 

[Gunslinger808]

To answer your question...No. Especially now with the internet.

Bonjour!

 

[rwsmith]

Pretty bad.....

Between the lack of proofreading and poor writing most anything published seems low-rent to me and I feel like I'm losing my own language skills as a result.

 

[Checkman]

Is that a mistakes? Because it's my understanding that the 44 framed revolver had an S prefix the serial number until the late sixties when they switched to the N prefix. Elmer Keith refers to the large frame as the S frame in his classic "Sixguns" (1955). Or is it a mistake because the large frame was originally referred to as the 44 frame? No argument here. I'm genuinely curious. That's all.

Yes okay. The commentary about how modern American society is going down the tubes is funny, but nobody is answering my question. Is it actually a mistake to say the N Frame was originally referred to as the S frame?

 

[Rule3]

Is that a mistakes? Because it's my understanding that the 44 framed revolver had an S prefix the serial number until the late sixties when they switched to the N prefix. Elmer Keith refers to the large frame as the S frame in his classic "Sixguns" (1955). Or is it a mistake because the large frame was originally referred to as the 44 frame? No argument here. I'm genuinely curious. That's all.

Google is only a keystroke away Oh and it is a "mistake to type mistakes. Just kidding.

I do not think is is poor editing I think it is poor writing. There is lots of errors and BS in magazine articles. Some by very big time writers

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/160492-s-frame-smith.html

 

[Checkman]

Yes typos happen.Sorry about that. However I feel that I should point out in that thread Who Cares asked a valid question and nobody responded because they were all so busy acting rather superior.

Back before the N became part of the serial number - when they were S prefixed, did they call them N frames?????

Also Elmer Keith refers to the large frame S&W revolvers a S frames in "Sixguns". Possibly because the large frame was prefixed with S? He wasn't trying to sell anybody on a "rare" S&W model.

So again I ask it is possible that before 1969 when Smith changed the prefix letter of the serial number from S to N was the large frame referred to as the S frame?

See now I'm starting to wonder if everyone is so busy showing how clever and witty they are that they are failing to stop and just ask that simple question. Like Who Cares did three years ago on that previous thread.

 

[wbraswell]

I had a gunsmith tell me that my transitional HD was an "S" frame.

 

[s&wchad]

There never was an S Frame. The S serial number prefix had nothing to do with the frame size. it signified that the gun had an internal hammer block safety, which was added during WWII. The S prefix was also used on Victory models (SV) and postwar Transitional M&P's, which were K frames.

 

[Ranger514]

Somebody's grumpy today.

 

[Checkman]

Somebody's grumpy today.

I suppose a little.I'm home sick with kidney stones. Guaranteed to make anybody grumpy. But was it called the N frame before the N was added to the serial number or was it called the 44 frame?

 

[mkk41]

Don't have the original article handy , but it was in the American Rifleman and I think I may have posted something about it. But , IIRC , the writer stated that the large frame was "designated the S-frame by the factory".

 

[Ranger514]

I suppose a little.I'm home sick with kidney stones. Guaranteed to make anybody grumpy. But was it called the N frame before the N was added to the serial number or was it called the 44 frame?

Ouch! Sorry for your pain. I don't have the info. you requested, but I hope you've passed those stones by the time this post reaches you.

 

[Checkman]

Ouch! Sorry for your pain. I don't have the info. you requested, but I hope you've passed those stones by the time this post reaches you.

Thanks.

The doctor had to go in with a laser and cut them up then pulled out the fragments. It was a day surgery. I am now home recovering. Still very sore, but it's a different type of sore.

So yes I was grumpy. Loaded up on pain medication which was barely holding it's own against the pain. It took synthetic morphine. Percocet didn't phase it. I really hate Kidney Stones and I would only wish them upon the worst type of person. Like a terrorist.

 

[Ranger514]

As an EMT, I've dealt with patients suffering from kidney stones. The pain they felt was overwhelming. I hope you recover soon.

 

[perrazi]

checkman- is this your first go with the stones? have had them many times and had 11 procedures to get rid of them. is doesn't get any more fun after the first one either. you just know what it is when you get that certain pain in the location it is. good luck and hang in. did they tell you after the first time you are more likely from then on?

 

[M29since14]

I have never heard of the large-frame guns correctly referred to as "S-frame" guns. I have heard people refer to them as being "S-numbered" just to differentiate between the older and the post-'68/'69 guns - not the frame size.

I do not know why letter "N" was used to designate the large frame size. I agree with S&WChad that the "S" indicates the revolver has the new-type hammer block. That is all I have ever heard that I consider authoritative. If Elmer Keith referred to the large-frame guns as "S-frame," I would assume he was likely referring to a large-frame gun that was produced after the introduction of the new hammer block, not the size of the frame.

 

[Checkman]

checkman- is this your first go with the stones? have had them many times and had 11 procedures to get rid of them. is doesn't get any more fun after the first one either. you just know what it is when you get that certain pain in the location it is. good luck and hang in. did they tell you after the first time you are more likely from then on?

My third procedure unfortunately. I had my left Kidney cleaned out just last April. This time it's my right kidney. All total this is the 7th time that I have had stones. Good times. Thanks for the good wishes.

 

[Checkman]

As an EMT, I've dealt with patients suffering from kidney stones. The pain they felt was overwhelming. I hope you recover soon.

You know it really is. I've been told by women who have had stones that it's worst than giving birth.