Has the Governor been "impeached?"

[Mister X]

PS: I went to Grant Cunningham's site. He's renowned for being a teacher. His site doesn't list what he's done besides teaching . . .

Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach . . .

So you're saying Grant Cunningham isn't somehow qualified and his opinion should not be considered?

Whose opinion is credibile in your eyes?

Everyone should think for themselves and ultimately come to thier own conclusions and make their own choices, but it is always a good idea to consult and consider what those who are generally regarded as being authorities in the field have to say. That doesn't mean they are always right on a particular specific topic, but I wouldn't dismiss their opinion so quickly.

 

[686-380]

Ah, the concept...

I've already answered in my above posts. My issue is with the concept of a .410 handgun. It could work as I stated before, but so could just about any weapon and it would be way down on the list of choices for effective home defense handguns. I'm a huge fan of revolvers and especially snub-nose ones. With an enclosed hammer J-frame, you get an excellent combination of lightweight, concealment, power and ECQ capabilities that no other gun can match IMO. The Governor offers none of that since it sacrifices everything at the expense of being able to fire .410 shotgun shells.

And I wouldn't count on any intimidation factor with the Governor being a deterrent any more than hoping the sound of racking a pump shotgun will send an intruder(s) fleeing. And if you want to increase the odds of hitting your target, there are much more accurate weapons available.

Sorry, I glossed over your .410 concerns.


This is one of the most beneficial aspects of these forums. I'm finding this discussion very helpful.

Your perceived issue with the .410 is my perceived strength. As I mentioned, I don't expect or desire to kill anyone. I just want them to stop doing whatever their unacceptable behavior is. If it happens, well, it happens.

As far as accuracy we know that any snub nosed pistol won't be too great. The up side is that .410 will spread.

Although you seem to discount the intimidation factor, I don't. If a crazed, meth-infused knucklehead attacks, I won't hesitate to discharge the first couple of rounds. Then I have the .45LC arriving to the party.

 

[StakeOut]

I've posted this before but here it is again.

"There's no bullet or gun made that takes the place of marksmanship"

If between your ears there's the thought that one well placed round will get the job done then a .44mag might be for you.

If you have it between your ears that a second and third shot may be required to save your bacon then you would need to consider what is going to allow you to quickly get back on target before receiving incoming fire.

If you are not confident in between your ears that one,two or three rounds will do the job from cannon or pea shooter then consider a .38spl loaded with 6 148gr wadcutters that an average male/female with a minimum amount of training should be able to put all 6 rounds on target in the shortest amount of time.

 

[Muss Muggins]

So you're saying Grant Cunningham isn't somehow qualified and his opinion should not be considered?

Whose opinion is credibile in your eyes?

Everyone should think for themselves and ultimately come to thier own conclusions and make their own choices, but it is always a good idea to consult and consider what those who are generally regarded as being authorities in the field have to say. That doesn't mean they are always right on a particular specific topic, but I wouldn't dismiss their opinion so quickly.

Like I said, he's a teacher, regurgitating what others have taught him. He doesn't list any practical experience other than teaching and writing, so yes, in coming to my own opinion, I discount his opinion much quicker than others.

 

[Mister X]

Like I said, he's a teacher, regurgitating what others have taught him. He doesn't list any practical experience other than teaching and writing, so yes, in coming to my own opinion, I discount his opinion much quicker than others.

So what constitutes credible "practical experience" in your eyes?

 

[Muss Muggins]

So what constitutes credible "practical experience" in your eyes?

Mine . . .

 

[Mister X]

Mine . . .

And what experience would that be?

 

[Muss Muggins]

And what experience would that be?

Well, I once got thrown out of a defensive tactics course when the FBI instructor chastised me for not attacking him properly . . .

Edit: He lost the encounter . . .

 

[Muss Muggins]

That's it? How exactly does that alleged experience translate into you being an individual folks should consider listening to regarding the Governor being a good home defense choice?

I never said they should. I posted my opinion, people can take it for what it's worth. You're the one that wants a resume' (which I don't hand out), not the OP. As for me, I have standards for those whose advice I take.

Don't we still have a meeting pending over a sock full of coins?

 

[Mister X]

I never said they should. I posted my opinion, people can take it for what it's worth. You're the one that wants a resume' (which I don't hand out), not the OP. As for me, I have standards for those whose advice I take.

Don't we still have a meeting pending over a sock full of coins?

I never said a sock full of quarters was better than a Governor. Only that it could work, but that doesn't mean it's a good choice just as the Governor could work, but there are much better options.

 

[Muss Muggins]

You dismissed Grant Cunningham as not having enough practical experience to consider his opinion and said your own was more credible, yet refuse to tell what that lofty experience of your happens to be. That tells me you probably have none.

You then reference having a confrontation with a FBI instructor and you supposedly showed him a thing or two. Approximately when and where did this take place?

I never said a sock full of quarters was better than a Governor. Only that it could work, but that doesn't mean it's a good choice just as the Governor could work, but there are much better options.

Peace out. You roll your way, I'll roll mine.

 

[Snowwolfe]

As I said before, haters are going to hate.

 

[Oldfrt]

I shot some 410 slugs out of my Gov today at the range, I put some big holes in the target at 10 yds. I bet it would put a big hole in something else as well. The down side to shooting the standard 410's is that they don't do a very good job of coming out of the cylinder, the expensive ones designed for self defense supposedly come out easy. This is a fun easily managed gun, and for $25 I got enough moon clips to load 150 rounds of 45 ACP.

Since I did a impulse buy on the Gov, and I have to maintain a supply of 45 long colts then after I get a second 22 for the wife (she heats up her 317 even with the good CCI) I will be forced to get a 460 for myself by the end of the year. The pain and suffering I have to go threw to keep the wife happy. She's the one that keeps dragging me to the range.

There are lots of choices, not everything will meet everybody's needs, but that Gov weighs less than my 686 with 4 inch barrel and shoots just as well. It's not always the gun that inaccurate, I need lots and lots of practice.

 

[Gulfecho]

You dismissed Grant Cunningham as not having enough practical experience to consider his opinion and said your own was more credible, yet refuse to tell what that lofty experience of your happens to be. That tells me you probably have none.

You then reference having a confrontation with a FBI instructor and you supposedly showed him a thing or two. Approximately when and where did this take place?

I never said a sock full of quarters was better than a Governor. Only that it could work, but that doesn't mean it's a good choice just as the Governor could work, but there are much better options.

You sir have refused to recognize well documented ballistics tests that were posts #25 and #29. of ammunition specifically designed for a .410/.45 revolver platform. It's not the Judge/Governor that make it effective as a SDF revolver but the modern ammunition choices one can have at ready.

 

[Muss Muggins]

You dismissed Grant Cunningham as not having enough practical experience to consider his opinion and said your own was more credible, yet refuse to tell what that lofty experience of your happens to be. That tells me you probably have none.

You then reference having a confrontation with a FBI instructor and you supposedly showed him a thing or two. Approximately when and where did this take place?

I never said a sock full of quarters was better than a Governor. Only that it could work, but that doesn't mean it's a good choice just as the Governor could work, but there are much better options.

I may look like I'm yelling, but I'm yawning . . .

 

[686-380]

Thanks everybody, for providing the incentive to finish my video on the Governor. All I need is to shoot a couple of rounds of .45LC...

 

[rickjones]

There was a homicide in my area about a year and a half ago. The weapon used was a Taurus judge loaded with buck shot. This was a drug dispute murder so I can not feel bad saying that the wound inflicted was absolutely devastating. The victim was shot in the head and died immediately. Based on seeing numerous gunshot wounds from a variety of calibers I can tell you for a fact that a govenor or judge is a capable defense weapon. I hope to pick one up personally someday. If a person was to really practice and learn how to "run" one tactically I wouldn't want to tangle with them at all! I plan on staggering buck and .45 long if I get one. Govenor is my first choice with ct grips and big dot front sight

 

[686-380]

I uploaded a short video of my Governor and some defensive loads. I shot Winchester PDX1, Winchester Super X 000 buck and Hornady FTX slug and 2 round balls.

The video is called "Smith & Wesson Governor - A Sampling of 410 Defensive Rounds". I'd provide a link but I don't want to risk committing an infraction.

 

[dbuffington1]

McCOY outdoor in MOBILE ALABAMA has two of them. I was just their the other day. That is were i bought my GOVERNOR from.

251-4731080

 

[Stainz]

I was an early poster re the then new Governor. I bought mine because it could share the >250 loaded moonclips of homebrew 230gr FMJ .45 ACP ammo, which otherwise only fit my 625JM. The Governor was ~1" longer and a bit less costly than the then soon to be canned 325NG. It was bought as a bedside protector - and tested with 250gr GDJHP .45 Colt, which hit coincident POI/POA at 7 yd - as did the aforementioned .45 ACP ball ammo. In it's first two weeks of ownership I bought two boxes of birdshot and one of PDXI .410 ammo - and still have a round or two of that SD ammo left. For my use it works well - and it was economical - then.