How smart are the fast food servers today?

One of a couple things I like from McDonald's is their coffee.
I never recall getting a bad cup.
The local Wendy's has horrible coffee to my tastes.

Try their double quarter pounder. Pretty good.
 
One of a couple things I like from McDonald's is their coffee.
I never recall getting a bad cup.
The local Wendy's has horrible coffee to my tastes.

Try their double quarter pounder. Pretty good.

Yup a Double Quarter meal, large sized with a Coke is pretty damn good. They make the quarters and double quarters when you order them so they are hot n juicy.

Can't beat their fries, and everyone knows a Coke from Mc D just tastes better.

Don't eat a lot of fast food but when I do, this is usually what I get.

Never had anyone screw up giving me correct change when I swipe a card...
 
I avoid all fast food. Having had friends that worked there way back, no thanks. I remember going to a Burger king in Wilmington, N.C. back in mid 90's, ordered 2 woppers, waited at window, finally got the bag. Felt real light so wife opened it and looked. 2 regular burgers on a whopper roll. Went inside and asked what was going on. They told me " the whopper meat was not on the truck". Imagine that, home of the whopper but no whopper meat……
 
Less than a mile from my house. Black Raspberry Chocolate Chip.

Why in god's name would you mix those two together. Mind you, I don't like chocolate but to put any kind of chocolate or anything else, except more of the same, with Black Raspberry is a crime worthy of a keelhauling and then having the miscreant strung up until his toes turn purple. :eek: :) :)
 
In 1968 White Castle forgot to put a pickle on one of my sliders. I boycotted them for two whole days.
That showed 'em.

A great day in the galaxy of culinary delights was the release of White Castle's thick chocolate frozen shake/malted.
I carefully spooned it out into another cup for fear of what might be in the cup's bottom.

Nedick's, Nathan's and Pizza were other feederies, known to competitive swimmers, as 15-20 hours a week in the pool required constant nourishment.
Did someone say Carvel? :D
 
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Less than a mile from my house. Black Raspberry Chocolate Chip.

Why in god's name would you mix those two together. Mind you, I don't like chocolate but to put any kind of chocolate or anything else, except more of the same, with Black Raspberry is a crime worthy of a keelhauling and then having the miscreant strung up until his toes turn purple. :eek: :) :)

BRCC is a pricey treat worth standing in line for:

Graeter's Black Rasberry Chocolate Chip Ice Cream
 
McDonalds is running their buy one and get one for a dollar special again. Really not concerned with how smart their servers are when getting a big mac and 1/4 cheese quarter pounder for $6.

More concerned with the attitude of the managers (still younger generation) that refused to put up the sign and alert me sooner.
 
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Middle Class Staff - a Theory

Fast food vendors are know for high turn over in staffing.
Low wages and high stress are factors often sited.


I will comment on three levels of competence/skills that may or may not be related to individual intelligence.

#1) Excellent (Over Achiever) - Desirable Employee may leave for higher pay or better hours.

#2) Good Enough - Passed drug test - shows up regularly - shows up sober - shows up neat - low error rate.

#3) Not Good Enough - Can't make it - Soon to be CANNED!

I believe many Managers HOPE that they can retain enough "GOOD ENOUGH" employees to keep the system operating at a reasonably good level.

Locally many Fast Food provider have had long standing signs offering employment.

For the last 40 years, fast food has more or less considered anyone who has been there for 3 months to be a "veteran" employee. It's a high turn over field for all the reasons you have stated.

I worked fast food for one of my jobs in 1982 (along with roofing in the summers and cleaning cattle trailers on sale days) while self funding my private pilot license in high a school.

My class mate Stan and I worked in the back (the kitchen) and as students we had evening or weekend shifts. We both worked about 30 hours per week. At 32 hours they had to pay benefits so that never happened.

There were usually 2 back people, 2 front people and a shift supervisor who would close out the registers etc. The back took a lot longer to close out and clean than the front. Once the front was done the front people would come back and help us finish up as would the shift supervisor.

However Stan and I wanted to get home and get more sleep on school nights so we got creative and reduced the time it took to close down and clean the back from an hour and a half with 5 people involved to just 45 minutes for the two of us. That got us done at the same time as the front staff and shift supervisor were finishing up.

Since we didn't always work with each other we both cross trained the other back staff we worked with so that the 45 minute timeline became standard practice.

The net result is that we saved the business 3 hours and 45 minutes of staff wages each and every day. At 1 year we had a performance review, and got the customary $0.05 wage that everyone got if they stayed that long. In my review I pointed out what I saved them - each and every day. They would not increase my raise.

I walked across the parking lot during my break and got hired at Pizza Hut as a waiter. I was as good for business there as a I'd been in my last job, but got paid almost three times as much when tips were considered, was a shift supervisor at 6 months (supervising my high school science teacher who needed a part time gig with the low teacher pay). Due to my manager's sponsorship I was offered a job in their management track after I put in my notice to leave for college. I'd have started as an assistant manager at one of their corporate stores for $45 K and been making $80K as a manager in another corporate store within 2 years. Not bad for 1983. But I'd spent the last year watching my manager work at least 80 hours per week and would have to move where ever they had a vacancy guaranteeing at least 2 moves in 2 years. I declined on quality of life issues. In retrospect that may have been a mistake.

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The point here is that whether a high achiever gets rewarded depends an awful lot on the response from their manager(s) and the business owners. They either have a solid understanding of the long term benefits of paying good staff what they are worth, or they don't.

The fast food business I worked for went out of business a couple years later and bleeding talented staff with initiative and the training costs of unmotivated replacements who stayed only a few weeks or months was a contributing factor. If you are going to churn and burn low paid labor, you need to have a steady supply of replacements, and that doesn't happen in smaller communities.

That low paid, short term labor is expensive not just in terms of having to pay people to train them, but also in lower productivity and higher error rates, higher production costs, reduced customer service and lack of innovation.
 
The ice cream thing is simple. I worked there years ago. It and the shake machine are the most complex pieces of equipment the employees work with.

Additionally, employees who open don't want to put it together and employees who close don't want to take it apart, especially after they actually close. In addition, I suspect with the current workforce, it is hard to determine if they need new seals, etc.

The employees will use any excuse to shut it down. Mostly, if it runs low on ice cream after 6pm, they want to shut it down, IME.

I personally, 30 years ago, liked having it going until my last break!

I came from SD and the work ethic there was strong, and still is compared to much of the country.

Here in NC it's distinctly different. There is a locally owned grill about a mile from the small grass airport where two of my aircraft are based. They open at 5:00 am for breakfast and close at 2 pm after lunch. It changed hands about 6 months ago after the wife of the previous owner was diagnosed with cancer. They ran it really well. They got my business as they cooked good food, were locally owned and were good people committed to their customers.

The new owners have lost my business as closing at 2 pm means I need to be there by 1:15 if I actually want to eat as they shut down the grill for cleaning. That's just lazy. I've been there and done that. Their grill has two independent halves and it's no big deal to clean one half as things start to slow down, then clean the other half, and cook the late arriving orders on the clean side. The small spot of the grill used for those few burgers cleans quickly after you close.
 
I'm just glad they have people to work in them at all.

While back our KFC was shut down for a couple weeks, because they couldn't get anyone to come to work.

Local Wendy's was drive thru only for a while. Only effected me when I'd stop while out on my bike to grab something to take home and eat.

Mistakes may be made, but at least we can usually get something to eat.

I still see the occasional dining room closure due to "staff shortages", but you have to walk that back a bit and ask why people don't want to work there.

The local Taco Bell here is one of the worst offenders. They still have days with closed dining rooms, but they also have a couple self serve ordering kiosks that allow them to under staff the front counter. The person there is also normally manning the drive through, so there's no depth.

When the drive through is really busy one of the back staff has to take care of the front counter, either for orders from people who do not want to use the kiosk and or need to pay cash, and or need to pick up their drink cup. That means that back person covering tue counter has to be cross trained and it also means it will slow down preparing the drive through orders.

The end result is the drive through has gotten busier as people are tired of the slow service inside. They'll go through the drive through and then park and eat in their vehicle. That's exacerbating the problem, and is also losing them business.

They've cut costs, but also service and I'm not sure that's going to work for them long term.

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On the other hand the local Chic Fila absolutely rocked their drive through performance during the pandemic and doubled down on door dash, etc. Post Pandemic they have de emphasized their dining room, in favor of drive through and delivery service and they continue to be very staff intensive on the drive through side.

They still offer in store dining and support it well, but it will never be what it used to be as they've exchanged their old business model for one that makes them more money.
 
A friend of mine owned a couple fast food places. Even a few years ago he always said if I need 8 people to do a shift well I have to have about 11 scheduled. If I get lucky I will have a full crew.

Another statement he sometime said, for the most part many of my peoples age and their IQ are close.
 
Middle Class Staff - a Theory

Fast food vendors are know for high turn over in staffing.
Low wages and high stress are factors often sited.


I will comment on three levels of competence/skills that may or may not be related to individual intelligence.

#1) Excellent (Over Achiever) - Desirable Employee may leave for higher pay or better hours.

#2) Good Enough - Passed drug test - shows up regularly - shows up sober - shows up neat - low error rate.

#3) Not Good Enough - Can't make it - Soon to be CANNED!

I believe many Managers HOPE that they can retain enough "GOOD ENOUGH" employees to keep the system operating at a reasonably good level.

Locally many Fast Food provider have had long standing signs offering employment.

Waaaaaaay back in the olden days, the Boomer T Fud days, #1 and #2 were the norm...they were primarily students and 2nd jobbers who made a few extra bucks when the kids were in school. But that was then, back when dinosaurs roamed the Serengeti, when minimum wage jobs were never intended as careers. Now we are in the age of enlightenment, when fast food workers demand a "living wage" for whatever they do, and $100k a year trades jobs go unfilled because the burger flippers are content with their living wage and supplemental government benefits to make ends meet. Now where the heck is my iron lung.
 
Back in the day of the family biz we couldn't (or wouldn't) pay or give enough freedom to our best guys. They moved on to other fields,college or became competitors.I finally walked away and became a competitor too [emoji23]
 
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The McDonald's I regularly go to has a Hispanic looking manager, he puts in the hours, see him at off times-Saturday night, e.g. This McDonald's is in a suburban community. Lately he has hired a lot of Hispanic help, their English is passable but they seem to be well trained, know their jobs. Their prices have gone way up, not their choice of course.
 
I don't believe young people in retail can make change w/o a computer to calculate it for them but it's not their fault, they were never taught how.
 
Would it make some of you happier to make cashiers use an abacus?

I can not remember when I had an issue at a retail establishment where correct change was a deal breaker.

I have more important things to fret over like parcel delivery and flip phones.
 
Would it make some of you happier to make cashiers use an abacus?

I can not remember when I had an issue at a retail establishment where correct change was a deal breaker.

I have more important things to fret over like parcel delivery and flip phones.

I kind of like it when the cashier can't figure out change. Somehow it always works out to my advantage.
 
I don't believe young people in retail can make change w/o a computer to calculate it for them but it's not their fault, they were never taught how.


I'll take young folk doing it with a computer every day over octogenarians with a coin purse and an attitude when I'm in line. But I self check when available, to avoid just that, along with septuagenarians who don't start writing their check or even looking for their checkbook until the last object is bagged and the total shows on the display . . .

Edit: If you read this and think I'm referring specifically to you, I probably am . . .
 
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I love these recurring threads.
They make all us posters feel
really bad about the future of
America. It adds to a belief
in our personal worth and for
that we should all be grateful.
 
I'll take young folk doing it with a computer every day over octogenarians with a coin purse and an attitude when I'm in line. But I self check when available, to avoid just that, along with septuagenarians who don't start writing their check or even looking for their checkbook until the last object is bagged and the total shows on the display . . .

Edit: If you read this and think I'm referring specifically to you, I probably am . . .

I agree, and add looking for the right rewards card so they can save 5 or 10 cents on something. I fit the age group but has probably been 10 years since I wrote a check at a grocery store or Walmart.
 
I recall a passage in David Halberstam's "The Reckoning" -published in 1986-, at one factory a machinist did quality work but rarely put in a five day week. When asked about why he worked only four days he replied "Because I can't live on what I earn in three."
 
If I were to go to a fast food store it would be Burger King. They have soft ice cream.

Even better is Wendy's the Crispy Hot Chicken Sandwich is the bomb. I don't think they have ice cream.

Many of the BK's around here have closed because they can't keep good employees, or get them in the first place. I went to one just before it closed. Every table there had clutter from people who had already eaten that had not been cleaned up. The floors and most every thing else were filthy. There were three customers in the store. Me and an older married couple who told me they had been waiting to place an order for over 10 minutes. The employees were ignoring them. I'm guessing because I was on duty in my SO uniform they decided to wait on me immediately. I watched carefully as they prepared my food, making sure they weren't going to spit on it, while still ignoring the older couple. They cleaned one table after asking me where I wanted to sit. All the employees were moving in slow motion until the music in the store started playing a song they liked. Then they started dancing, even the manager who pretended to push a broom around. I thought I'll just use the restroom and leave but it was taped off with a sign reading "Out Of Order." I suspected someone just didn't want to clean it. I told the other couple I was leaving ( my food hadn't gotten there yet) and they might want to leave also. They asked where I was going and I told them I was going to a "Mom and Pop" hamburger joint not too far away. I saw them there a few minutes later and we got a good meal. The BK closed a few days later. I haven't been to a BK since but I still see a lot of new restaurants that have opened up in old BK locations.
 
Fast food is heart attack food. Yes its good, but I don't eat it and haven't for a very long time. I also got food poisoning at a Burger King once.
 
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