I did it. Open carried for the first time.

All in folks head. They pass folks walking to their car that are driving past them in theirs, they never get nervous the driver is going to run over them. Why do they get nervous when they see someone with a gun? The car is a dangerous weapon also, more folks die every year from auto related than firearm.

Rosewood
 
Don't take my questions as being against cops (I have a brother that is a cop). I just like to be aware of the laws. I fully intend to respond to any cop that wants to talk to me. In the event a cop was overly aggressive and overstepping the legal bounds, I like to know what my legal requirements are to be in compliance with the laws and what legal recourse I may have.

Rosewood
The most important thing to remember is that there is a place for arguments - that's the court. Arguing with the police on the street accomplishes nothing positive.
 
The most important thing to remember is that there is a place for arguments - that's the court. Arguing with the police on the street accomplishes nothing positive.

I agree 100%. Don't plan on arguing with them. But I can call his supervisor afterwards and file a complaint if I know he was in the wrong.

Many moons ago, my brother was pulled over because "his window tint looked to dark". The officer noticed my brother has his pistol stuck in the console. Asked my brother if he had a permit for that. He didn't need a permit for it to be visible in his vehicle (not by GA law). He did have one and answered the question as yes. I was tempted to say "he doesn't need one", but antagonizing a LEO and telling him he is wrong as you said will probably not go well, so I kept my trap shut. Now if he was writing a ticket or cuffing us for something that wasn't illegal, then I would probably have spoken up in a respectful manner. Maybe with questions like "do we have to have a permit to have one in our vehicle"?

I couldn't tell you how many LEOs and former LEOs I have had conversations with about carrying firearms and they didn't know the law themselves. Pretty scary.

Rosewood
 
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I may be missing something but why is there this trend to want to mess with cops doing their job? What are they trying to prove, what’s the profit ?
If you ain’t the perp, co operate and let cop move on. As a citizen it is your duty. There are a few bad cops but a lot more bad guys.
I would agree if there was a way to tell the regular cops from the uniformed thugs, but there isn't.

I am enthusiastically supportive of the former and intolerant of the latter. Thus it's always going to be in my best interest to keep my mouth shut. ;)

When I retired USAF I briefly considered a career in LE, but there were two problems; first I hate DVs, the abusers, and the drama associated with them. I suppose training can overcome most of that. The second, and dispositive reason I didn't, involves police behavior I witnessed. When a 'bad cop' does bad stuff, the other cops are obligated to lie and cover up his bad behavior. They might be good cops, dedicated, professional, and valuable public servants, but if they expose the bad cop they're ostracized, so they're complicit. So in that regard all cops are or need to be 'bad cops'. Again, this is something I've seen firsthand.

The experts advise against talking to the police; I'll take their sage advice. There is no such thing as a casual conversation with an on-duty police officer; they have an agenda, and it isn't in support of you. Given there are cops in here that don't know Terry Stop rules, it's best to say nothing and walk away.

During the OC movement in WA about a decade ago, we were patient with the officers for a long time, recognizing that they might not be aware of the laws (or lack of laws) governing it. We used each encounter as an opportunity to guide departments to issue training. Nobody got litigious unless the officer(s) disregarded their training bulletins and guidance. We were always polite, never confrontational, and never trying to egg anyone (LE or citizens) on. Yeah, I've seen it happen, but only after the OC movement met its goal and the johnny-come-lately OCers saw it as a way to stir the pot. There are far more numbnuts carrying concealed, and casting a bad light on firearms carry than OCers- we tend to be very polite. :)

In any event, yes, we should always do our civic duty. Once you've had a few encounters, it becomes very easy and fast to know when the encounter is legitimate or a just a 'bad cops' fishing expedition.
 
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I couldn't tell you how many LEOs and former LEOs I have had conversations with about carrying firearms and they didn't know the law themselves. Pretty scary.

Rosewood

Unattractive story #157.

Many years ago I was given command of a state police district that had been chronically poorly run. One of the final straws in the relief of my predecessor was an incident wherein a patrol officer stopped a guy with a 'Constitutional free man' handmade license plate. The driver was angry and argumentative; he acted as if he was going to drive away, so the officer ordered him out of the car. Turns out he was carrying a concealed 38 snubbie; the troop promptly arrested him. The problem was that carrying a concealed firearm in your car was (and remains) perfectly legal in our state for anyone who can own a firearm. The argument that he was outside the car when arrested was just ignorant - the officer had ordered him out of the car.

The defendant went to jail, his car was towed; the next day the magistrate very properly dismissed the charge. My predecessor tried to support the officer's action as reasonable when the inevitable civil suit came in; our risk management committee was unimpressed and eventually settled the case for $25k (not a bad price for a night in jail - I'd do it!).

Out went the old commander.

Stupid is as stupid does.
 
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Presently, the rules have changed around these parts and we have to wear masks and every business insists on it. So I'll be reticent to open carry again if I'm masked. Any kind of mask. I'll just wear a vest or wear my shirt out before I open carry when I'm masked. YMMV.
 
Let's see.....Baseball cap. Check
Sunglasses. Check
Bandana around the lower half of my face. Check
Open carrying my 1911. Check
Honey, I'm going to the bank and then to the stop and rob to buy a lottery ticket.
What could possibly go wrong :rolleyes:
Reminds me of the COLREGS "Avoid collisions at all costs- even if you have right of way"
COLREGS? Now there’s a term I last heard 25 years ago when I took my Capts. license exam.
 
In the most recent studies done by 24/7 wall st. Tucson, located in SE Arizona, is the most dangerous city in Arizona. Tucson's violent crime rate is well over double the national average. The same study identified Tucson as having a whopping 24.1% poverty rate, compared to a national average of 12.3% at the time of this study... something tells me with the large portion of hungry and violent citizens crime is a little bit more prevalent than "all but non-existent" in SE Arizona.

Tucson is 2 counties & nearly 100 miles from where I live in SEAZ, it's a liberal hole. Here life is exactly as I posted. When you have some idea what you're talking about feel free to expound.
 
I’ve watched several of the videos that were set up to mess with Cops. They aren’t just about guns. You idiots go ahead and play your games. If you have been following national news you should be aware of the idiots calling for defunding of Police. Some even calling to do away with police. In some cities cops are quitting and taking early retirements. The citizens of these places are already crying. They are going to have a lot more to worry about that mode of carry. These places are the example of what the lack of common sense can produce.
 
I live in NE PA. Open carry is legal here but I rarely saw it until recently. I’ve seen more in the last week then I have in the last year. Granted, those times are in a gun store among customers but it’s not like they go straight home. They’ve all been Glock’s in a retention holster, and they’ve all been prominently displayed on purpose. Clearly it’s on the rise due to the current political climate. And as I always say, if it can kind of turn off a gun owner in a gun shop then what is it doing to the rest of society? I doubt anyone is being “educated”.

But if it’s the law and you want to do it, then have at it. I just have a feeling it’s going to have the opposite result than will be beneficial to gun owners. Hope one day we aren’t remembering the good old days when some draconican measure passes.
 
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Congrats on finally open carrying! The first day is always the most jittery but that passes quickly.

I live in AZ and it's an Open Carry state that's pretty good about it.

Hardly a day goes by that I don't bump in to someone who asks about my gun, what the law is and if they can carry too. I get in to a lot of convos about "carry options" also. Semi-Auto vs Revolver. What make is better. All that good stuff.

Pictured is my current carry. A 629-6 3". I carry this or my Ruger 44 Alaskan most days.
 

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Tucson is 2 counties & nearly 100 miles from where I live in SEAZ, it's a liberal hole. Here life is exactly as I posted. When you have some idea what you're talking about feel free to expound.

EXACTLY!

I'd love to explain why but we're not allowed to here. But y'all can figure out why with a simple google search of those two cities.
 
Sorry. Not a fan of open carry in public. It accomplishes nothing but give gun lovers like us a bad name. Just sayin'. :D
Well, that's if you care what other people think. Most people won't notice. If they do, most won't care. If they care or get offended, I don't care. I open carried while wearing a badge, and I'm still comfortable with it. That said, I only open carry roughly 20% of the time since I'm in and out of so-called "gun free zones" a lot.

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In over 50 years I’ve never seen anyone (except hunters, police, security guards etc.) open carry until today.
Coming out of my favorite bakery (with a bag of donuts! ) a man was walking toward me carrying what could have been a Desert Eagle ( in a high ride holster) and a competition mag holder maybe 3” from his belt buckle ((2 mags (going in a V shape configuration) that stuck out maybe 6” from the holder)). This person was about 5’6” at 130lbs.
My thought was what heck is he doing ? What was he trying to prove/say by doing this? The Main Street is only about 60’ long in this small town.
Open carry is legal in Ohio but to stand out as he did served no purpose that I could see. JMO

EDIT: to above comments. He would have to remove the mags from the mag holder to be able to sit down or drive.

Now a true story about the only time I open carried in public out of uniform.

It was in the early 90’s. I was coming back from vacation in New England with my son. He had a best friend who lived near lake Cumberland in Kentucky that he was going to stay with for a week, so I stopped at a Holiday Inn to get a room for myself.
Going from the parking lot to the lobby I noticed 3 young men (early to mid 20’s) by the pool that were VERY rowdy and drinking (pool 30’ from sidewalk and rooms).
I mentioned to the desk clerk that these men were making a hole
lot of noise and disrupting everyone around them. The clerk said he had received many complaints and that they would party late
into the night and early morning. He said a number of guest had left because of this and that there was really nothing they could do about it. They had the room for a few more days.
My son suggested that I find another motel and I told him this one would be fine and I would take care of the issue (rowdy guest).
I got my room key (room was next to theirs), went back to the car to get my bags, and put a 9mm pistol in my belt (Mexican style, and yes it had a manual safety and an empty chamber).
When I walked back to my room, I gave them a glaring look and
made sure they could see the gun stuffed in my pants ( I’m 6’4” at 265lbs & well built, my son is 6’5” at 220 lbs & also well built).
There was an instant silence. The three went back into their room and not a sound was heard from that point on.
The next morning I went to the pool with the gun in my swim trunks. They left the pool area and checked out earlier than scheduled.
So that’s it. Hope you enjoyed!

Be SAFE and Shoot Often !
 
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Open Carry?

"Hard to see" Would that not be close to concealed? Big no no without a permit I believe.

Ischia
 
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