I have never been a conspiracy theorist but

[Ranger514]

No guns in federal buildings. First thing they told us in ccw class when telling us where NOT to carry. Federal buildings, schools, the state fair grounds, and casinos. (for Iowa anyways)

Ive heard you can carry in national parks now... as long as you dont walk into ANY of the buildings (including restrooms) with a gun on you.

ispcapt is correct about needing a valid concealed carry permit recognized in the state where the National Park is located in order to legally carry inside the Park . While you can't carry into a federal building that is staffed by federal employees in a National Park, such as the Visitor Center, Ranger Station, or Park Administration Building, restroom buildings are not regularly staffed by Park employees. Concession buildings inside a National Park, typically food service facilities and gift shops are not staffed by NPS (federal) employees, and the concessionaire has the choice of allowing concealed carry in those buildings. The NPS has placed signs on all doorways of the buildings where firearms are not allowed.

 

[Poodle Soup]

ispcapt is correct about needing a valid concealed carry permit recognized in the state where the National Park is located in order to legally carry inside the Park . While you can't carry into a federal building that is staffed by federal employees in a National Park, such as the Visitor Center, Ranger Station, or Park Administration Building, restroom buildings are not regularly staffed by Park employees. Concession buildings inside a National Park, typically food service facilities and gift shops are not staffed by NPS (federal) employees, and the concessionaire has the choice of allowing concealed carry in those buildings. The NPS has placed signs on all doorways of the buildings where firearms are not allowed.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[JJEH]

I joined in '62 and it was the same. When I came back from overseas I had to keep my Walther P38 stored in the arms room. If I wanted to use it I had to check it out and return it when finished.

That's interesting. You couldn't take your POW with home?

 

[TexasArmed]

This may be news to a small group of people on this forum, however, it is not anything that started recently. My first CCW was issued around '83 and the laws then prohibited military bases, Federal buildings, state county and municipal buildings and airports. Did I mention police stations as well? Even when I was in the Navy in the early 70's one couldn't bring firearms on base. I don't understand how this is something conspiratorial. I'm willing to be educated.
RichH

That is interesting that this was the case. Wonder why they did not make Major Hasaan register his at Ft. Hood?

 

[aguablanco]

That is interesting that this was the case. Wonder why they did not make Major Hasaan register his at Ft. Hood?

Could it be that he brought it on base illegally? As we have all stated numerous times, criminals don't obey our laws, that's basically what makes them criminals. Compliance with most laws is voluntary and even perhaps on the honor system. When one has no honor, the law means nothing.
RichH

 

[1fly2ty]

I go to Mountain Home AFB every couple of months, and was purchasing an Ar-15 at the base exchange, yes they sell all types of firearms. I said to the guy that I had my CW permit but was disappointed that when we make the 70 mile drive to the base I have to leave my firearm at home! His comment was why, your allowed to bring an unloaded firearm on bas as long as its unloaded and cased, he said just stop before you get to the main gate unload and put it in a case and your good to go, so thats what I have done for the last year or so. Sometimes it pays to ask what the rules are.

 

[JeffF64]

I go to Mountain Home AFB every couple of months, and was purchasing an Ar-15 at the base exchange, yes they sell all types of firearms. I said to the guy that I had my CW permit but was disappointed that when we make the 70 mile drive to the base I have to leave my firearm at home! His comment was why, your allowed to bring an unloaded firearm on bas as long as its unloaded and cased, he said just stop before you get to the main gate unload and put it in a case and your good to go, so thats what I have done for the last year or so. Sometimes it pays to ask what the rules are.

Same at Ft. Stewart, as long as it is unloaded and seperate ammo seperate from Gun, but only supposed to be if your going to the MWR Range to shoot. also here if you purchase a gun at the exchange it is automatically going to be registered on Post.

the Soldiers that have POW's (Personnally Owned Weapons) if they live in housing can keep their guns at home, if they live in the barracks must keep them in the Company Arms Room, make arrangemnnets with the Company Armorer everytime they want them out to go to the range, both must be registered on Post reguardless of where purchased. That being said i would bet there is a POW in someones barracks room and purchased off post so it's not registered on post. someone already mentioned it but unless your willing to obey the rules its kinda on the honor system until you get caught, then your trying to get out of Article 15 for having it un registered in your barracks room.

What gets me about Georgia Carry Permit is that if your a Soldier on Active Duty you can legally Carry in the State, but as soon as you retired or get out of service you have to get Carry Permit, not sure what people think but the vast majority of Soldiers do not qualify, carry or train with a hand gun very few MOS's use pistol as primary weapon most only have been trained with the M16 or M4. and that is the premiss that they can leagally carry in Georgia as they have had training in the Service, kinda big differnce between a pistol and rifle.

 

[OFT II]

That's interesting. You couldn't take your POW with home?

If I lived in the housing area I could but my home was a cadre room in the barracks so I had to check it with the armorer. He was a friend of mine so he never mentioned anything if I checked it out on Friday afternoon and didn't return it until Monday morning.

Always good to have the supply clerk, armorer, company clerk and mess steward as buddies. I was a medic (MOS 911) and took care of their needs also.

 

[Roy Odhner]

Served in the Navy from 1982 - 2005. Privately owned firearms were tightly controlled, and had to be registered and stored in certain places. This is nothing new, and I can only attribute this recent buzz about no guns on base to the Tin Foil Hat Brigade. There is no deep or dark conspiracy here, just a long-standing policy that is a lot older than me.
Bottom line is that if you don't like it, then don't volunteer to serve because it's not going to change anytime soon.

 

[timn8er]

Most states don't recognize other state's CCW permits, so I guess I wouldn't expect anything different from the Feds.

Actually I don't believe that's true. most states have reciprocity agreements between them. There's only a very small number that don't honor the reciprocity agreement.

 

[Der Biermeister]

I am wondering about places like driving down US 301 through the middle of Fort AP Hill? Are you on a US highway patrolled by Sheriffs and State Police, or are you actually on a military reservation and subject to confiscation?

 

[JeffF64]

I am wondering about places like driving down US 301 through the middle of Fort AP Hill? Are you on a US highway patrolled by Sheriffs and State Police, or are you actually on a military reservation and subject to confiscation?

Talked to a couple of my MP/DOD Police friends here at Ft. Stewart about this. As there are two major highways that also run through part of post, through the training area's. They said that as long as they are in accordance with Georgia law (Having Carry License) they could have weapon on their persons, conceal/ open carry, but they could also have a weapon in the car without CCL since Georgia law states you can have weapon in your vehicle. Just need to inform MP if they are pulled over and have your permit with you. But if they are going to go through the gates to the main Post/ Cantonment area it is not authorized to carry or have weapon in car. but having said all that you must remember that some of these MP's may not have the same awareness of these rules, as a Private is definatly not as versed as a NCO so you could possibly have a 18-19 your old MP pulling you over for speeding etc, that may or may not know these rules as well. During my 22 years active and last 8 years working on post never understood why the Army would let a 17 year old become a MP and have the authority that they give them out on the road with just limited schooling, would have thought that would have been one of the jobs that you would have to be in the Army so many years first and a NCO to get into, but it's not.

 

[edprof]

No guns in federal buildings. First thing they told us in ccw class when telling us where NOT to carry. Federal buildings, schools, the state fair grounds, and casinos. (for Iowa anyways)

Ive heard you can carry in national parks now... as long as you dont walk into ANY of the buildings (including restrooms) with a gun on you.

Arkansas has two no-carry lists. One list is about KINDS of place where you cannot carry, and a Feberal post office would be one of those, applying the general list. The second list has ten specific places in it in the state where CCWs cannot carry. Having been to a couple of those in years past, I know that those specific places tend to be lodges in state parks where the walls between hotel rooms are really thin and wouldn't stop any bullets.

 

[edprof]

Actually I don't believe that's true. most states have reciprocity agreements between them. There's only a very small number that don't honor the reciprocity agreement.

Yes. Arkansas has reciprocity with about 36 states.

 

[Double-O-Dave]

Wonder why they did not make Major Hasaan register his at Ft. Hood?

If I'm not mistaken, Major Hasaan lived in off-post housing (I believe in an apartment complex).

Regards,

Dave

 

[Double-O-Dave]

The fear of improperly carrying on federal property is apparently pretty powerful. I'm a federal employee and worked in a building guarded by armed civillian security guards. We had quite a bit of interaction with the Texas DPS (hi-way patrol) and I was called by the security guards one day to come pick up a visitor, who happened to be a DPS Lieutenant. When I met the officer, I noticed his holster was empty, but as he was carrying a briefcase, I assumed he was trying not to alarm us office geeks and had removed his pistol from his holster and placed it in his briefcase. Once we got to my office and started talking, he had to get some reports out of his briefcase, and when he opened it, I notice there was no pistol inside. I had to ask, so I did, and the Lieutenant told me that the security guards had taken it from him and locked it in a gunsafe. My boss was a retired Colorado State Police Captain, so I asked him if that was appropriate for the guards to take a weapon from a commissioned peace officer, who was in uniform, and visiting on official business. My boss just about blew a gasket and asked me to leave his office so he could "chat" with the Lieutenant privately. He later told me that I had assessed and handled the situation correctly, and that after he had chewed out the Lieutenant for surrendering his weapon, he then called the head of the security guards and chewed him out for his guys taking the Lieutentant's weapon. I wanted to ask my boss why the Lieutenant wasn't carrying a back-up weapon, but decided his blood pressure had been suitably elevated for the day (I really liked my boss). My boss said that the Lieutenant told him that the reason why he gave his pistol up was because he knew he was on federal turf, and that the "rules were different". My feeling was that as a DPS Lieutenant, he should have known better.

Regards,

Dave