I told the NRA today I agree with background checks

[cmort666]

There's no doubt in my mind that the overwhelming majority of Americans support some type of universal background check in some shape or fashion. I disagree with them, but I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

If I had to bet money that even if they DO support such a thing, it's ONLY because they haven't been told where such a thing leads. And do you believe that the commercial media is going to do so?

The NRA's failing is in not TELLING them.

 

[Skunkhome]

The thug who stole my Beretta out of my truck years ago did not have a background check. Maybe I should have demanded he fill out a form and wait for approval before he left. I do not believe casual sales are an issue and I should be able to pass my guns on to my children without the federal government collecting fees. Now, those people who are in the "business" of "trading" in guns should be licensed and compelled to perform background checks regardless of circumstances.

 

[Cdog]

Not an inch! You can't give the left anything. When we do, they take a mile.

On the mental health aspect, just who would decide who's competent and who ain't? Very easy to disarm us for our own safety.

Oh ye that trust this regime or any for that matter, prepare to turn you weapons to plows!

 

[cmort666]

On the mental health aspect, just who would decide who's competent and who ain't? Very easy to disarm us for our own safety.

I've repeatedly seen claims from the other side that believing that you can defend yourself with a gun is "insane"... even though I've done it.

Their definition of "mental illness" has a lot in common with that of the Soviets in the '70s and '80s: "failure to submit".

 

[Skunkhome]

If I had to bet money that even if they DO support such a thing, it's ONLY because they haven't been told where such a thing leads. And do you believe that the commercial media is going to do so?

The NRA's failing is in not TELLING them.

No the problem is that no no one is listening!

Even the most well meaning of "conservatives" don't seen to understand the principles behind the 2nd ammednment. The things they think are reasonable create a chain reaction that leads to government intrusion into our personal lives, confiscation of our guns and eventually curtailment of our first amendment rights.

 

[Springfeildkid585]

I have a problem background checks being applied to private sales. It's a round-about way for them to get more red tape on our guns. I shouldn't be required to pay the government every time I want to sell or trade a gun, especially in a family with several firearms owned by elderly members. I just plain can't afford a background check on every firearm I stand to inherit

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

If I had to bet money that even if they DO support such a thing, it's ONLY because they haven't been told where such a thing leads. And do you believe that the commercial media is going to do so?

The NRA's failing is in not TELLING them.

I agree, but I'm not sure it's an easy case for the NRA to make since they support background checks.

You're a smart guy, make the case for average Joe. Tell him how necessary it is to run a background check on John Doe at Gander Mtn to protect society from the chance that Mr Doe might be a bad guy. Then make the case that you're totally against a background on John Doe in the parking lot of Gander Mtn buying the same gun from some guy on the Internet. How do you convince him that some background checks are good while others will result in a loss of freedom without average Joe's eyes glazing over?

 

[cmort666]

How do you convince him that some background checks are good while others will result in a loss of freedom without average Joe's eyes glazing over?

I'd head in the other direction.

ALL background checks are at best of dubious value. Not only is a "universal" background check ineffective, it is MEANINGLESS without registration and registration has NO purpose apart from CONFISCATION.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I'd head in the other direction.

ALL background checks are at best of dubious value. Not only is a "universal" background check ineffective, it is MEANINGLESS without registration and registration has NO purpose apart from CONFISCATION.

You headed in the other direction alright... ran for the back door.

Remember you (NRA) have just announced on national TV that YOU ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF NICS!, and that you also want to see NICS enhanced by including even more data on citizens.

How can the self proclaimed biggest supporter of NICS now say 24hrs later it's of dubious value? Are you're suggesting that the NRA announce it was all just a big misunderstanding... that the biggest supporter of NICS was just kidding. This is how you would suggest the NRA convince others?

 

[Old Seabee]

Checks

I agree with cmort 666. As I read somewhere on the forum A libral once robbed or mugged is instantly a conservative

 

[cmort666]

You headed in the other direction alright... ran for the back door.

Remember you (NRA) have just announced on national TV that YOU ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST SUPPORTERS OF NICS!, and that you also want to see NICS enhanced by including even more data on citizens.

So now you're suggesting that the NRA announce it was all just a big misunderstanding... that the biggest supporter of NICS was just kidding. This is how you would suggest the NRA convince others?

I'm never impressed when somebody sticks with a losing hand that obviously a losing hand.

Of course they could just say, "We tried that and it obviously hasn't worked."

Being consistent can be good.

Being consistently wrong never is.

 

[mrbort]

I agree with cmort 666. As I read somewhere on the forum A libral once robbed or mugged is instantly a conservative

This "liberal" (quotation marks because I don't feel like labels capture what I am) has been shot at, mugged, robbed, and otherwise intimidated in some of the most violent places on earth.

I work in an insanely high-stakes profession of global security (with the knowledge that if my colleagues and I screw up, there will likely be a large empty place where a large US city now stands. Additionally am a proud and what I feel like is a responsible gun owner. I believe in and have sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. (Please excuse my badges; I'm also fiercely private).

Being robbed/shot at/mugged/etc did not make me change my mind on any of the major issues that would put the scarlet "L" on my chest; I genuinely believe in those things and my experiences have not changed that. In fact my experiences have strengthened my belief that the United States is a pretty awesome place and strengthened my resolve to defend it.

I grew up in a traditionally gun-phobic family. On my own accord, not as a result of my profession or personal history, I came to become interested in guns and later a passionate gun enthusiast and responsible owner. My family has come to embrace and accept this. Score one for responsible gun ownership.

Pigeonholing liberals as anti-gun is likely stereotypically correct but I would guess that anti-gun feeling is out of ignorance of firearms and misinformation than actual conviction. Then there are many like me who are positively against any further abridgment of of our personal freedom to bear arms while feeling like the government has tremendously positive roles it can play in other aspects of the lives of our fellow citizens.

So, while convenient to stereotype liberals as gun grabbers, there are many flavors of people, and many flavors of who one might consider "liberal. By engaging in such stereotyping, individuals are alienating staunch advocates. Benjamin Franklin's quotation that "we must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately" is an appropriate figurative rallying cry for all who are united in a common interest: the responsible retention of our Constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms.

I have followed this thread with interest and if a moderator or anyone else feels that this was too political, please delete or mark (depending on your forum abilities.

Peace on all, especially those with whom I disagree on other issues. Let us all put aside those differences in this discussion.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I'm never impressed when somebody sticks with a losing hand that obviously a losing hand.

Of course they could just say, "We tried that and it obviously hasn't worked."

Being consistent can be good.

Being consistently wrong never is.

I suppose the NRA could reverse their position and object to all background checks. At that point, our friends in Congress would dismiss the NRA as irrevelant and that would be the end of NRA influence in Washington.

 

[cmort666]

I suppose the NRA could reverse their position and object to all background checks. At that point, our friends in Congress would dismiss the NRA as irrevelant and that would be the end of NRA influence in Washington.

They can always say that we're stuck with FFL background checks, but they're a waste of time. No point in throwing good money after bad with the "universal" background test nonsense.

 

[sambuh]

This "liberal" (quotation marks because I don't feel like labels capture what I am) has been shot at, mugged, robbed, and otherwise intimidated in some of the most violent places on earth.

I work in an insanely high-stakes profession of global security (with the knowledge that if my colleagues and I screw up, there will likely be a large empty place where a large US city now stands. Additionally am a proud and what I feel like is a responsible gun owner. I believe in and have sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. (Please excuse my badges; I'm also fiercely private).

Being robbed/shot at/mugged/etc did not make me change my mind on any of the major issues that would put the scarlet "L" on my chest; I genuinely believe in those things and my experiences have not changed that. In fact my experiences have strengthened my belief that the United States is a pretty awesome place and strengthened my resolve to defend it.

I grew up in a traditionally gun-phobic family. On my own accord, not as a result of my profession or personal history, I came to become interested in guns and later a passionate gun enthusiast and responsible owner. My family has come to embrace and accept this. Score one for responsible gun ownership.

Pigeonholing liberals as anti-gun is likely stereotypically correct but I would guess that anti-gun feeling is out of ignorance of firearms and misinformation than actual conviction. Then there are many like me who are positively against any further abridgment of of our personal freedom to bear arms while feeling like the government has tremendously positive roles it can play in other aspects of the lives of our fellow citizens.

So, while convenient to stereotype liberals as gun grabbers, there are many flavors of people, and many flavors of who one might consider "liberal. By engaging in such stereotyping, individuals are alienating staunch advocates. Benjamin Franklin's quotation that "we must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately" is an appropriate figurative rallying cry for all who are united in a common interest: the responsible retention of our Constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms.

I have followed this thread with interest and if a moderator or anyone else feels that this was too political, please delete or mark (depending on your forum abilities.

Peace on all, especially those with whom I disagree on other issues. Let us all put aside those differences in this discussion.

My God, the voice of reason is refreshing. Like a drink of water on a hot day. Well put

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

They can always say that we're stuck with FFL background checks, but they're a waste of time. No point in throwing good money after bad with the "universal" background test nonsense.

They could. Now we've downgraded the argument from a loss of freedoms and path to tyranny to that of a waste of time and money. Being $16 trillion in debt... that may be the best argument of all.

 

[V-35]

So Joe and Art what you're saying is that because I recently joined this particular forum I shouldn't exercise my first amendment rights?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Sounds like you are exercising your 1st amendment rights to KILL the 2nd amendment)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Or I shouldn't share an opinion? I joined because I am a fan of smith and Wesson and their products. Some people think its a give an inch they'll take a mile situation. Maybe it's give an inch and get that inch back>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WHAT A CROCK. WHEN did we Ever get back ANYTHING whenever we gave an inch (EXCEPT with the next election as in after the '94 AWB when the GIVERS were Swept Out of OFFICE....................

We have to look at every solution and potential outcome with an open mind. Immediately dismissing any>>>>>>(DUMB) <<<<<<<<<<idea prematurely is simply ignorance.[/QUOTE/]





There, I fixed it for you. BTW do your and sambuh's desks adjoin there at the Sara Brady Offices? Sure sound like it.

Art

 

[bushmaster1313]

I have a problem background checks being applied to private sales. It's a round-about way for them to get more red tape on our guns. I shouldn't be required to pay the government every time I want to sell or trade a gun, especially in a family with several firearms owned by elderly members. I just plain can't afford a background check on every firearm I stand to inherit

A good point, but if you do inherit a bunch of guns all at once, why would you need multiple background checks?

As to "more red tape," that sounds more like an inconvenience than an infringement.

 

[DeathGrip]

Inheritance? My people hate guns and never allowed us to have toys that even looked like a gun. So don't come looking around here. I'm om your side.

 

[sambuh]

So Joe and Art what you're saying is that because I recently joined this particular forum I shouldn't exercise my first amendment rights?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(Sounds like you are exercising your 1st amendment rights to KILL the 2nd amendment)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Or I shouldn't share an opinion? I joined because I am a fan of smith and Wesson and their products. Some people think its a give an inch they'll take a mile situation. Maybe it's give an inch and get that inch back>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WHAT A CROCK. WHEN did we Ever get back ANYTHING whenever we gave an inch (EXCEPT with the next election as in after the '94 AWB when the GIVERS were Swept Out of OFFICE....................

We have to look at every solution and potential outcome with an open mind. Immediately dismissing any>>>>>>(DUMB) <<<<<<<<<<idea prematurely is simply ignorance.[/QUOTE/]





There, I fixed it for you. BTW do your and sambuh's desks adjoin there at the Sara Brady Offices? Sure sound like it.

Art

You're not very good at this...