I told the NRA today I agree with background checks
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DeathGrip
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I believe that "waste of money" was behind both the Canadians' scrapping their long gun registry and NYS scrapping CoBIS. The reason why gun control is on table and fixing the mental health care system isn't comes down to which costs more.
fix the quote thingies guys it's hard to follow who said what 
Delos
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Know what you are agreeing to
Never say yes until you know what you are agreeing to.
Is the background check law going to be one page or 2,000 pages. Will all congressmen get a chance to read it, or will it be another law introduced at the last minute, with a lot of pork.
Will This be another "we must pass the law to find out what is in it".
Will it end up including anything about lead bullets, endangered species, or electronically controlled guns.
Will anyone involved in this administration have any ownership of any newly required patents. (How did the airport scanner thing work?)
If the system "accidentally" fails is the consumer still permitted to buy, or must he wait for the government agency involved to figure it out when they get time.
I prefer rules whereas I am presumed to have the right to buy unless the government can prove otherwise. I burned out with the California Department of Motor Vehicles not posting the form I gave them when selling a vehicle. (The person I sold it to had dumped it along side the road without continuing the registration process). I was required to go to the police station and was told there would be a hearing. It all came to a stop when I told them I was going to go directly to my lawyer and sue the Department of motor vehicles, for not posting the form I gave them, on their computers, so the police could access it.
I feel sorry for the police secretary that was half asleep as she repeated what she often says. She got real alert when I used the words "I am going to sue Department of Motor Vehicles to make them do their job". (Within 2 hours the DMV called me and assured me their records had now been brought up to date and I was correct).
I also previously was applying for a truck drivers license when the DMV secretary told me my military DD214 was a copy of a copy and she needed to see the original. (No one is given the original) after driving ten miles I returned with the copy I had been given and ask them to make a copy and give it back to me. (I do not need another "all powerful" agency controlling honest peoples lives, having me stand in long lines, or in any way cause a two minute job to take all afternoon).
Most homicides in this country are done by gang members with unlicensed guns, or knives, or hammers, or whatever.
The New Town Sandy Hook School shooting was done by a mentally disturbed male who killed his mother to get total access to her guns. (He was not trying to buy his own).
This proposed law does not solve the situation they claimed it will solve.
Never say yes until you know what you are agreeing to.
Is the background check law going to be one page or 2,000 pages. Will all congressmen get a chance to read it, or will it be another law introduced at the last minute, with a lot of pork.
Will This be another "we must pass the law to find out what is in it".
Will it end up including anything about lead bullets, endangered species, or electronically controlled guns.
Will anyone involved in this administration have any ownership of any newly required patents. (How did the airport scanner thing work?)
If the system "accidentally" fails is the consumer still permitted to buy, or must he wait for the government agency involved to figure it out when they get time.
I prefer rules whereas I am presumed to have the right to buy unless the government can prove otherwise. I burned out with the California Department of Motor Vehicles not posting the form I gave them when selling a vehicle. (The person I sold it to had dumped it along side the road without continuing the registration process). I was required to go to the police station and was told there would be a hearing. It all came to a stop when I told them I was going to go directly to my lawyer and sue the Department of motor vehicles, for not posting the form I gave them, on their computers, so the police could access it.
I feel sorry for the police secretary that was half asleep as she repeated what she often says. She got real alert when I used the words "I am going to sue Department of Motor Vehicles to make them do their job". (Within 2 hours the DMV called me and assured me their records had now been brought up to date and I was correct).
I also previously was applying for a truck drivers license when the DMV secretary told me my military DD214 was a copy of a copy and she needed to see the original. (No one is given the original) after driving ten miles I returned with the copy I had been given and ask them to make a copy and give it back to me. (I do not need another "all powerful" agency controlling honest peoples lives, having me stand in long lines, or in any way cause a two minute job to take all afternoon).
Most homicides in this country are done by gang members with unlicensed guns, or knives, or hammers, or whatever.
The New Town Sandy Hook School shooting was done by a mentally disturbed male who killed his mother to get total access to her guns. (He was not trying to buy his own).
This proposed law does not solve the situation they claimed it will solve.
It really dosen't matter how a shooter obtained their illegal firearm. We have laws and procedures inacted for our protestion. Just inforce em. We have one unique characteristic in all of the animal kingdom. Humans can kill at a distance. Gun is the safest means, since our ancestors stopped throwing spears. Ergo, criminals will use guns for criminal pursuits. The current problem is "another attack on the second amendment". All of the whys and hows are just the fodder de jur to create the fog of war.
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Delos
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Good buys
About 40 years ago I was admiring a nice 45 auto at a friend of a friend's house who was a deputy sheriff. He liked to clean up guns and sell them. When I ask where he gets the guns he said something to the effect - if someone is on parole and has a gun, and is a good person asking if there is any way not to get arrested, I tell them I will just dispose of the gun and not do any paperwork. They thank me and promise to not do it again. It gets another gun off the street and usually he does not again carry any firearms. Naturally I run the numbers to make sure it is not stolen.
Back then towns were smaller and often giving someone a break helped them clean up their lives. He was the nighttime parent the teenagers needed.
Others saw the guns thrown in bushes from a distance and retrieved them. Whatever works to help the young stay out of trouble.
I bought my Model 66 from a Sgt. of a Detroit suburb PD and when he told me where
to meet him, an isolated industrial area, I told him what I would be driving.
He responded with, "I'll be the one in a po-leece car."
About 40 years ago I was admiring a nice 45 auto at a friend of a friend's house who was a deputy sheriff. He liked to clean up guns and sell them. When I ask where he gets the guns he said something to the effect - if someone is on parole and has a gun, and is a good person asking if there is any way not to get arrested, I tell them I will just dispose of the gun and not do any paperwork. They thank me and promise to not do it again. It gets another gun off the street and usually he does not again carry any firearms. Naturally I run the numbers to make sure it is not stolen.
Back then towns were smaller and often giving someone a break helped them clean up their lives. He was the nighttime parent the teenagers needed.
Others saw the guns thrown in bushes from a distance and retrieved them. Whatever works to help the young stay out of trouble.
cmort666
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Be very clear, it's spending a lot of money IN ORDER TO take away people's rights to no end. It's stupid AND evil.
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One thing is for dang sure.
ANY new legislation will make criminals of more law-abiding citizens.
That's what they're set up to do.
ANY new legislation will make criminals of more law-abiding citizens.
That's what they're set up to do.
rootbrain
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To be honest about it, it works well here. I made a purchase here in Denver just after Thanksgiving, it took 25 mins on a Saturday. Yes now its taking several days because of the panic. So you think more money should be thrown at it now? Hogwash.
Every idiot and there brother with a credit card is rushing out to buy an AR or hand gun now because they want it "grandfathered" and the think they won't be able to later.
Was at my local gun shop looking for ammo and some young girl was buying a hand gun for "HD and personal protection". Was insisting on getting a Ruger Redhawk. She'd never even fired a gun, fer chrissakes!!! Luckily my shops owner wouldn't sell her that, tried to convince her to go with something else. She said no, she'd just get it somewhere else.
I know she was probably buying for her convicted felon boyfriend that would never pass the check.
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Silversmok3
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What is hogwash is the idea that we should ask the government permission to exercise a right they don't have the authority to regulate.
The Holy Bible's been a best selling book for generations. Should it be OK then that one must submit to an 8 day waiting period and manual background check before taking one home? After all, the September 11 attacks stemmed from religious extremism. No one "needs" a holy book right away.
And here , we come to the core reason why our nation is so divided.
There are people who believe others have the same rights they do to pursue happiness within the bounds of the US Constitution.
And there are others who believe they have the personal and collective right to demand justification for the decisions of others. Today , you have to justify buying a gun to the collective via a government background check. Tomorrow, you'll be asking permission to date a hot girl. How do I know youre responsible enough to have safe sex? I mean , you'll probably knock her up and generate another welfare case all of us have to pay for, so why not mandate a government background check and credit review as a condition of a recognized domestic relationship?
It starts with permits for pistols. That path ends in the Third Reich.
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What is hogwash is the idea that we should ask the government permission to exercise a right they don't have the authority to regulate.
The Holy Bible's been a best selling book for generations. Should it be OK then that one must submit to an 8 day waiting period and manual background check before taking one home? After all, the September 11 attacks stemmed from religious extremism. No one "needs" a holy book right away.
And here , we come to the core reason why our nation is so divided.
There are people who believe others have the same rights they do to pursue happiness within the bounds of the US Constitution.
And there are others who believe they have the personal and collective right to demand justification for the decisions of others. Today , you have to justify buying a gun to the collective via a government background check. Tomorrow, you'll be asking permission to date a hot girl. How do I know youre responsible enough to have safe sex? I mean , you'll probably knock her up and generate another welfare case all of us have to pay for, so why not mandate a government background check and credit review as a condition of a recognized domestic relationship?
It starts with permits for pistols. That path ends in the Third Reich.
"That path ends in the Third Reich."
If you do a little research sir, I believe you might find the Third Reich's laws on German citizen's owning guns is quite different than what you might think.
It's my understanding (at least in Texas) that if you have a valid CHL, you don't have to be background checked before purchasing a gun. The store just calls to confirm the CHL is still active (not suspended).
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Were Jews German citizens?
Out West
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So your point is what? Nazis were gun tolerant and you want America to be the same? Or, maybe, the Nazis knew better how to regulate firearms and the US should emulate?
This is becoming silly.
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cmort666
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I had a retired BATF agent who'd vanity published a book about his macho exploits, try the above scam on me. As I did above, I merely asked, "Were Jews German citizens?"
I think it took WEEKS for him to work up the guts to answer, "No.", whereupon I followed up with, "Why do you praise a law which disarmed Jews but not the Nazis who wanted to exterminate them?" It's been something like ten years without an answer to THAT question.
There's always a "gun owner" willing to throw other gun owners under the bus. In some cases they're willing to throw them under the carbon monoxide gas van instead...
kbm6893
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I support them, too. I suspect the majority of gun owners do, as well. members of this forum are not representaive of the gun owners in general, and certainly not the general public. I guarentee it passes. Only problem is how to enforce it. Say they pass it starting April 1, 2013. How would they know if I sold a gun without a check after April 1st, 2013? If the gun I sell was bought by me in a private sale, it's not even associated with me.
Maybe the NRA could play it smart and try to use the inevitable background check laws to their advantage. Pass a reciprocal permit program so law abiding citizens can legally carry state to state. Allow private sales, BUT require a bill of sale with the buyer's permit number. He's already passed the check to buy a gun. No overload of the NICS system, and the NRA doesn't come off as being so obstinate and hated by so many.
We can argue this all we want, but Newtown changed the game.
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OMG!!!
You can't be serious!!
Do you realize what it would take to put such a program in place?! YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!
Think the background check will include mental evaluations in
one form or another? So now we have invasion of privacy and another hoop to jump through!!
You people aren't thinking clearly and rationally. I'm done with this nonsense.
cmort666
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The ONLY way it can be enforced is with registration.
Registration has no REAL purpose beyond facilitation of future confiscation.
That means you support future confiscation when the propitious moment arises.
NO, I REFUSE.
cmort666
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Some people ARE thinking... they're just thinking of how to achieve an entirely DIFFERENT goal from the one YOU probably intend.You people aren't thinking clearly and rationally. I'm done with this nonsense.
It's hardly surprising that you and Jeffrey Dahmer might not necessarily mean the same thing when you say "dinner guest"...
kbm6893
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OMG!!!
You can't be serious!!
Do you realize what it would take to put such a program in place?! YOUR TAX DOLLARS!!
Think the background check will include mental evaluations in
one form or another? So now we have invasion of privacy and another hoop to jump through!!
You people aren't thinking clearly and rationally. I'm done with this nonsense.
it will cost NOTHING. Say you have a North Carolina permit. You want to visit a friend in NJ. You take your gun. A friend decides he wants to buy it while you are there. You write up a bill of sale, include his permit number and state on it, and he leaves with the gun. if it ever turns up at a crime scene, and the cops come calling, you show them the bill of sale and you are covered.
My tax dollars go to a lot worse things then this. I'm OK with it.
Your dreaming buddy. Nice dream but that's all it is. THEY will never go along with it!!
cmort666
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A "permit" for WHAT???
In Ohio, the ONLY gun related "permit" or "license" is the Ohio Concealed Handgun License, necessary ONLY to carry a concealed handgun or a loaded handgun in a vehicle.
Are you now advocating "permits" for firearms ownership?
kbm6893
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I'm advocating them for private sales. if you don't want to get a CCW permit, then you go through an FFL. My wife has a CCW. Doesn't really like guns and doesn't carry one. She's shot my revolver a few times and is capable of hitting a torso at 10 yards. About all I can get out of her.
And the benefit would be people WITH CCW's can cross state lines without being felons, AND it would increase the amount of CCW holders in the US.
kbm6893
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Maybe they wouldn't. But at least it would take some of the stink off the NRA. They could say "the feds don't want to implement a way to assure a private sale goes through to only legal buyers".
Either way, private sales ARE going to be banned. Newtown made Aurora and Virginia Tech look like a picnic.
Silversmok3
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Lets come back to Reality.
New Jersey, Illinois, New York State, California, and probably a few others I've forgotten about are the most retrograde states regarding gun laws. They're afflicted with a population of spineless wimps walking about in adult bodies, and in turn they've voted people like themselves into office as Representatives . These people would sooner nuke their own state capitol then acknowledge the 2nd Amendment in any practical sense.
Realistically, America will cease to be the United States in all but the name.
Its happening now , in point of fact. Go visit someone in New Jersey, then fly out to Wyoming. You'll feel like you just crossed a national border somewhere, and in all honesty that's exactly what's happened. There's less in common between a resident of Montana and a New Yorker then we share with Iraqis. We have states like WY and MT passing laws denying Federal authority, and others like NY and CA all but lighting the Constitution at a state funded bonfire and dancing in the flames.
For those reasons, truly nationwide CCW will forever remain a pipe dream. Even police officers can't carry in every state in America without risk of trouble, and LEOSA is Federal law!
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