IDEA: Distributor-Like Revolver Group Buy???

This keeps sounding better and better....lots of good suggestions and opinions, but people seem still encouraged.

For my 2 cents; .357/.38 special, 3 or 4", K frame, adjustable sights.

keep up the good work.
 
I think, these are the questions the leaders of the project should ask the distributor, once one has been selected. Lots of speculation about what S&W will do or not do could be answered rather quickly by these folks.
 
To answer the question asked about removing a few lines of code in a CNC program in order to leave out the lock: this is very feasible from a technical standpoint and shouldn't take more than a few minutes to accomplish by whomever normally programs toolpaths at S&W. This is one of the few custom details mentioned so far that would be cheap to accomplish if allowed.

Thanks for that info. (I've just started working with CAD software in a 3D modeling class - back in school after 39 years out - but have no idea how CAD stuff actually translates to the machines it ultimately drives.)

So the mandatory-lock policy is almost entirely driven by philosophy, not economics. This reinforces my view stated earlier - the current S&W is best viewed as primarily a lock company selling guns.
 
Can we keep the thread on topic and not turn it into a "Why the lock?" debate? That question has been beaten to death and still gets post-mortem colonoscopies on a regular basis.

As someone else remarked, S&W is not going to drop it for a run of 500 guns, no matter why it's still there.

Wish lists and complaining about the lock is putting the cart miles ahead of the horse. First it has to be determined if S&W would even consider it.
 
good luck gentlemen. if you decide on something I like, I will buy. if not, there are lots of other guns for me to spend my money on. this is exactly how it started on the colt forum.
 
HarrishMasher

Very interesting idea. I really like the idea of a limited edition gun linked to this great forum. But let's think basic (KISS) at first.
Maybe contact Talo and Lipsey's again and ask their thoughts on what might be the best selling/available model/caliber. They are in the business of selling new S&Ws and should know what the current market trends or availability is.
If they are to be involved they will want to be sure this is profitable for them. Either company should be able to give input to make this work for their company and the forum.
I would think a pretty basic model in .38/.357 would be a good starting point in this adventure. If this proves popular and profitable for a distributor other models could become a possibility. This would be the way to meet the different likes of the membership.
No IL, with a special serial number available for the forum members and a different type serial number that the distributor might use if this S&W forum model proved popular.
Special serial numbers, specially marked case, grips or barrels are all going to raise the price. But would be cool options. JA
 
I haven't read all the posts, but a re-run of the S&W 45 should appeal to most all of us here, though I personally would like a 3" HB, RB, 10 shot .22 LR version.

Raise the price enough to include a holster mated to the gun, and put one or more of our custom leather makers to work.
 
Special S&W Revolver

Hi Guys,
I have been a member for some time but this is my first posting:
I like the idea and would be happy to sign up to it, not too concerned as to model but would prefer 3".
Now the hard part; I live in Switzerland thus it would need to be sent to my local dealer. I could organise paperwork this end, could S&W ship direct?
 
Now the hard part; I live in Switzerland thus it would need to be sent to my local dealer. I could organise paperwork this end, could S&W ship direct?

I think that might have to be a challenge to be addressed after many other hurdles. Welcome aboard though!
 
I am intrigued enough to want you to know. I've watched thread for a few days now. There are certain revolver options that attract me most, but I'll wait for a survey / poll to offer those details if that is ok.
 
Just an idea for the first poll.
I think the first poll should be "HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO SPEND FOR THIS GUN?"

Some might be thinking $500,,, and others might be thinking $2500 !!

Because if you can not get people to commit to a price range,,, then it kills the whole deal,,no matter what gun is decided on ,,

I also think the polls should be set up as to what frame size you would be willing to put money down for, and not just limit the choice to just one frame size per vote.
Because while I prefer a -N- frame,, I also would be willing to go along with a -L- frame if it was set up with what I wanted.
So on the poll I could put down that I was interested in both the N and the L frame.

Then caliber.

After frame size and caliber,we could poll for barrel length and sights.

Then grips .

Followed by material gun should be made of(blued steel,,stainless ect, )
And last "lock or no lock"

This way you can get some idea of how many gun buyers you have,, and see them drop off as the gun is designed through the polls( or maybe some will change their mind and go with what comes from the polls, even though it wasn't the gun they originally hoped for!)
 
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I'm pretty new the the forum and don't want to be negative. But after reading many of the posts on these forums I really doubt if you can get even 50 people here to agree on anything. Much less when it will have to be about a certain frame, caliber, etc. I am interested though, but holding little hope we would get enough people together. Especially when it comes to spending a large amount of money on a gun. I'll be following this from the sidelines waiting to see where it goes.
 
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S&W did make some no-lock M24's in 2011 for their Heritage Series. That was a small run.

I like the idea of a 3-inch L-frame, but I already have a M686.

How about a 3-inch no-lug 10-shot M617. As far as I know that's never been made.

Or a 4-inch full-lug M60 with adjustable sights. Similar to their popular 3-inch version, but with a 4-inch barrel to make it something different.

If it's gonna have the lock I'd prefer a stainless gun, because then I could more easily "disappear" the lock mechanism. Maybe we could offer them with "The Plug" as part of the package.
 
S&W did make some no-lock M24's in 2011 for their Heritage Series. That was a small run.

I like the idea of a 3-inch L-frame, but I already have a M686.

How about a 3-inch no-lug 10-shot M617. As far as I know that's never been made.

Or a 4-inch full-lug M60 with adjustable sights. Similar to their popular 3-inch version, but with a 4-inch barrel to make it something different.

If it's gonna have the lock I'd prefer a stainless gun, because then I could more easily "disappear" the lock mechanism. Maybe we could offer them with "The Plug" as part of the package.




A 3" 617 ten shot. In my dreams! I would love that.
 
FWIW
John Ross on his website says he placed and received an order for #500
custom 500 magnums. Made to his specifications. They do have a IL on them. If I recall he states the minimum order was 500. And it was through the Performance Center...
 
I'd guess that the company will NOT let a gun go out the door with a single-action cockable hammer and without a lock, no matter what you offer to pay 'em. I think that's just their corporate philosophy. (Remember the history - today, S&W is a gun lock company that bought a gun manufacturing company. WE may think of it as a gun company, like it used to be, but the reality is that it's a lock company that makes guns to put their locks in. THAT's the perspective that makes their corporate insistence on locks seem like "common sense.")

Anyway, as I recall from installing a PLUG in a 638 that came with a lock, producing a frame for an external hammer gun without a lock would require them NOT to cut the round hole for the lock itself, the slot next to the hammer where the "Loaded" flag moves, and the internal slot where the flag/lock actuating mechanism fits. I'm sure all of these are cut on CNC machinery. And while it's certainly possible to modify the computer code to keep the machines from making the cuts for a lock, I suspect that the reprogramming would be a nontrivial task, EVEN IF the company were willing to let an external hammer gun go out the door without a lock.

So I'd guess that, even if the company were willing to omit the locks, it would take a lot more than an order for 500 or 1000 guns to make it worth their while to do the reprogramming.

Cautionary note - this is from a retired tax lawyer, who has never seen even one line of actual CNC code, so take it for what it's worth. But are there any CNC programmers out there who can say for sure how much work it is likely to take to make those kinds of changes? Recognizing, of course, that without actual knowledge of the software and coding actually used by the S&W machines, it would just be a guess.

20 years of CNC programming tells me it wouldn't be very difficult at all to remove the code from a copied program that could be used for a limited production run.
 
I kind of have my doubts about the feasibility of actually bringing this to fruition for a number of reasons, but I will play....

How about a Scandium N frame for weight savings-
.44 special
3 1/2 and 5 inch tapered barrels available
Adjustable rear, with a ramped gold bead front
All forged lock work, with no lock
A deep, satin miracle coat type finish (I don't believe Scandium can be blued?)
Pretty wood "coke" type grips, as well as a second pair of rubbers
A matching quality leather pancake type holster

It would be a great, practical, light weight woods carry gun.

Larry
 
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I've read thru every post. I'd definitely be interested if you are gathering names, count me in!

First issue to find out (at least for me) is if S&W will produce a run without the IL. That would be a deal breaker and easy jumping off point for me and a lot of others.

If we can get no IL, then I'd be willing to make my deposit and go with the majority on the polls.

My wish gun would be a blued 3" Model 13 shrouded like the 65 Ladysmith. No ports please.
 
My vote is for a 3" 625 in 45 Colt with fixed sights. In the end though, most any big bore snubby would get me reaching for my wallet. I just love the things.

I have a feeling that MIM parts, the internal lock, and the frame mounted firing pin will not be open to negotiation. They really aren't issues to me. The only way around them would probably require a time machine.
 
Couple of ideas:

Must be stainless, the new bluing S&W uses is weak. Hoppe's takes off the finish
L or N frame with full underlug
10 shot 22 Mag in the L frame
12 shot or whatever the can fit in the N frame either in 22LR or 22Mag

My main vote would be a 22 in the N frame. Did they ever make one on the N frame? Also, their are tons of models chambered in the 38/357 so I do not think I would bother with that caliber. S&W offers very few models in the 22LR and even less in the 22Mag.

James
 
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