Idiot at CCW course.

[davidenorth]

Well I sat through my CCW course today. Of course, there was the typical know it all guy there. I am prior PD so I never needed a CCW license before. During qualification shoot this guy kept switching stance from back and forth from Weaver to something else looking like he had ants in his pants. After he shot he came back to where I was and asked to see my pistol[I shot my 19-3]. Against my better judgment I let him. He starts acting like Mel Gibson in Payback with the fancy gun handling, then proceeds to barrel sweep me and another guy with my own gun. I got it back as soon as possible. Next time losers don't touch the Smith and I'll listen to voice of reason.

 

[OKFC05]

Try teaching the classes if you want to add to your collection of "don'ts"

Like all those disclaimers on products, all my stern warnings are the result of SOMBODY actually doing it.....

 

[gregintenn]

While attending the safety class for our HCP, our instructor pointed a cocked and locked 1911 at my father. He wasn't spoken to well by my father.

 

[OKFC05]

While attending the safety class for our HCP, our instructor pointed a cocked and locked 1911 at my father. He wasn't spoken to well by my father.

He should be reported and de-certified, IMHO.

 

[palmetto99]

There are a lot of numb nuts in the world. I try to very careful who I shoot or ride with.

 

[Skeeziks]

then proceeds to barrel sweep me and another guy with my own gun.

Forgive my ignorance, but what does it mean to "barrel sweep" someone?

 

[OKFC05]

Forgive my ignorance, but what does it mean to "barrel sweep" someone?

Sweeping somebody with a gun (you or another person) means you point the gun at a body part on a live human being.

 

[Skeeziks]

Sweeping somebody with a gun (you or another person) means you point the gun at a body part on a live human being.

Duuuhh!.... As I read the response I realized what it meant.
My goodness...I may have even used the phrase myself, many years ago.

Thanks for the answer, OKFC05. ~

 

[davidenorth]

I had heard the expression many times but it was the first time it had happened to me. It was extremely unsettling even though I had just opened the cylinder prior to handing to him.

 

[bennettfam]

aka "muzzle sweep." Must admit I have been guilty a time or two in my early years. Much older, wiser, more careful now. We should have patience with "newbies", but never tolerate insolent carelessness.

 

[madmikeb]

I was acting as a range officer and running a shooter through a barricade shoot years ago when he actually completely turned around and swept me and everyone attending with a loaded, cocked 1911. Needless to say that was the end of his shooting that day.

 

[davidenorth]

A buddy of mine in the Air Force in combat arms was running shotgun qualifications with maintenance airmen. A female airmen turned and pointed a load 870 right at him, while pulling the trigger saying, "it won't fire." He disarmed her carefully and disqualified her for the day. He said the pucker factor went off the chart staring at end of the barrel of the 870 loaded with 00 buck.

 

[FlYFiShErMaN]

I was in charge of (PMI), preliminary marksmanship training and then pistol qualification as a young MAJOR. I am an Infantry Officer and my Cdr thought I should conduct the training and run the range for all of the Senior Staff, which included IG, JAG, AG, LOG, SIG and Finance types. I thought God help me. While on the line, I watched a Female AG Colonel sweep the entire firing line by cocking and locking across her body. After calling for a cease fire, I pulled her to the side for some hasty remedial training and put the range back at the ready. She finished that table w/o incidence. The very next table she pulled the same stunt. After another cease fire I pulled her off the line with as much respect as I could muster and explained to her that I could not allow her back on the line with other Soldiers if she could not follow my instructions. I fired her at the end of the day, by herself with nobody on the line except me. She followed all my instructions and coaching w/o anther problem. She stated that she just got nervous with all the other guns going off around her.....Wow. Lord I hope she has retired w/o killing a fellow Soldier or herself.

 

[oldogy]

I would venture that most of we oldtimer gun folks have seen or heard some of these firearm handling safety breaches more than once. IMO, some folks should not handle firearms just like some folks should not operate mechanical devices of any kind.
oldogy

 

[JLM]

Our CCW instructor gave a us a list of 10 range rules. #4 was "Do not shoot the instructor!" I didn't have to nerve to ask him why that wasn't #1.

 

[LWCmdr45]

Any instructor that has been teaching for a while knows what it's like to be "swept." I picked up a training tip from the NRA Instructor's newsletter many years ago that has served me well:

While it would be nice to have them, it's pretty near impossible to have a "dummy" gun of each model handgun being used by my sudents. Before allowing a newbie to handle his/her (UNloaded, of course!) handgun during the 'hands on' training, I first insert about a 30" inch length of an appropriately sized dowel rod in the barrel. It really emphasizes the direction in which the handgun is pointing and helps the trainee understand the precautions necessary.

Steve

 

[YogiBear]

Aloha,

Just learned a new Training Aid for when gun classes are taught.

Add dowl to list of visual aids.

Thank You

 

[longranger]

I have seen similar and worse infractions from "professionals".I have been to more incidents involving "professionals" than any incidnets at a public shooting ranges.28 years as a FF/Paramedic with 2 public shooting ranges and 2 L/E ranges.Everything from shooting thier AR-15's at 50 yds at silhouette rams bullet splash in bystanders eyes(fellow L/E's)Shooting each other with 12 gauge shotguns.The crap on their ranges is staggering,cans, bottles,empty ammo box',garbage cans,all fair game for target shooting.These ranges are used exclusively by L/E,I worked at the Sacramento Gun Club/Folsom Shooting Cub in CA.Absolutelty no regard for range rules from the states L/E agencies that use that facility.I feel safer at a public range with joe blow citizen than near a range that L/E is using,sad but very true.

 

[zan516]

LWCmdr45,

The "dowel method" was how my dad taught me many moons ago. I have used it with my wife and sons with great success.

todd

 

[hobby-gunsmith]

Hope the instructor was not NRA. If so, he should have his certification revoked. I have heard horror stories of instructors violating what they preach from the students of my classes. If a student's safety is violated, the instructor should be reported. Safety is the number one rule taught in class. If the student does not learn anything else but safety, the student will take that rule and carry it over while handling a firearm.
Nick