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nothing till they use them to take away your second ammendment rights--this is dhs not the military
 
Not sure what this has to do with the Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22...?:confused:
--edit: never mind, moved thread makes my comment irrelevant.
 
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"Why do I need to say this again? Seriously? I get it, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition looks like a lot, until you break it down. How many armed personnel are there in the Department of Homeland Security? A **** ton. Let's just take BORDER PATROL. I'm not even counting OAM, just the Border Patrol. Approximately 38,000 and change, last I checked. Each issued an HK P2000 in .40 S&W. Magazine capacity of 12. Two magazines on the belt, one in the gun, plus a round in the chamber. Thirty-seven rounds per agent. Minimum. That's 1.4 million rounds walking around.

Now lets add the training ammunition. Figure 80 trainees per class, each firing a few hundred rounds a week. And that's just basic qualification training. That doesn't include the insane amounts of ammo members of certain units fire. San Diego's S.I.G. was averaging around 1500 rounds per month, per man, in a pretty small unit. Talking around 100K rounds of ammo a month for a handful of guys and gals in a huge sector. I would think that the Texas-based F.I.S.T. would be firing about the same amount. I can only imagine how many rounds BORTAC and BORSTAR are sending downrange to keep their edge up.

Needless to say, with DHS covering CBP, ICE, Secret Service, Coast Guard, et al, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition isn't really a big number. Does it suck that we have no ammo to shoot right now? Sure, but this isn't part of some government scheme. As much as I loathe this administration, I'm fully aware of how this stuff works. So quit being all butthurt dummies.

From Facebook, but not a bad thing.

Also, what's this got to do with the 15-22?
 
Next shortage is going to be tin foil for the hats.

I've read the constitution at least 500 times in the last 50 years. Doesn't mention DHS.
It does have a recognizable Bill of Rights. I'll stick to those.
 
Not a conspiracy theory guy...

I'm not ready to jump in with the conspiracy theory advocates. There could be a reasonable purpose for such a large ammunition order, but…

1,600,000,000 (that's 1.6 Billion, with a "B") rounds of ammunition is still a lot of ammunition!

According to the DHS website (About DHS | Homeland Security), DHS has about 240,000 employees (all branches); that's total employees , including non-armed personnel. I doubt that much more than half are armed, but I'll use the total number (240,000) for now.

From what I can gather, DHS is ordering these 1.6 Billion rounds of ammunition over a four to five year period. I'll use the five year period in my calculations.

1.6 Billion rounds/240,000 employees = 6,666.66 rounds per employee.

6,666.66 rounds per employee/5 years = 1,333.33 rounds per employee per year.

Now Training Center and Special Units will use much more ammo per year than field agents and other armed personnel. I doubt that the average armed DHS employee (the majority, past initial training and not in a special unit) is likely to fire more than a few hundred rounds per year.

But, I used the total work force over the full five year period. This "total workforce" will include administrative, support, maintenance, and likely other non-armed personnel. If I figure that about half of this total are armed, then the number of rounds per armed employee per year doubles to 2,666.66 rounds per year. THAT is still a lot of ammo per armed employee per year!

The US Army is much bigger than the DHS, and the DHS is not in a war. I've read that in the Iraq War the Army was expending somewhere between five million and ten million rounds per month (the numbers don't seem to be pinned down, so there is a lot of "estimating" in the sources I've read). At that rate, the US Army would have had to fight that war for at least thirteen years and maybe as long as twenty-six years, to come even close to 1.6 Billion rounds used to fight that war.

DHS would have to fire over 26.6 million rounds per month to fire off all of these 1.6 Billion rounds ordered, in just five years!

I'd like to see/hear a better explanation for the 1.6 Billion rounds of ammunition – so far I haven't. I believe that there possibly is a reasonable explanation, or at least I hope so.

I understand how much ammo is used by large and armed organizations. I was a Senior Training NCO in two US Army Battalion G3 shops and I ordered the ammunition for these units. Plus, I have now been in LE for a while, graduated from LE Academies, am a firearms trainer and assist with firearm requalification. Over one-thousand rounds of ammunition for the average soldier or LE officer per year is still a lot of ammunition – far more than I have actually seen yearly provided to the average soldier or LE officer.

(If anyone finds any errors in my math, I look forward to your correction!)
 
And now the whitehouse is closed to tours its off limits besides the armored trucks which are IED safe and the guns and ammo they have ordered. This doesn't sound good and its within our borders plus the drones spying on us too. Maybe there looking for the terrorists sleeper cells.

I have a bug out place way up in the green mountains and i been thinking of adding on an underground fortress too.
 
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