In no-carry places much of the time

[38-44HD45]

Originally posted by Big Foot:

Anyone pat you down or run you through a metal detector? No? Then keep your mouth shut and do what you decide is best for you.

The ol' "take the law in your own hands","do as you please...". Why not let my brother CC, he's not licensed? "Concealed means concealed". Gee, I'll CC at the bar, I'm concealed, who's to know!

A privilege, not a right, gone haywire....

Actually, it IS a right. Unfortunately, we've allowed state legislatures, the US Congress and many courts to convince many of us otherwise. The Second Amendment is about as clear a statement of recognition of a right as you'll find anywhere. It takes some twisting to make it otherwise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating anyone becoming a test case, and most state CHL statutes specify outright that it is a "privilege," so you won't beat the ride, and may not beat the rap, either.

 

[creedekid]

Last year my wife and I took in a movie on a Saturday night. When the show was over, we walked out the door to the parking lot. Well, we walked right into a gang fight, guys and girls throwing punches. We hugged the wall to stay out of the fight and as we made our way to the car, my wife asked if I was carrying, something she hadn't asked in 25 years. I showed her my 1911 and she just smiled. One of us is now always packin'.

 

[Pasifikawv]

I have a soft top Jeep and while I don't go into non-carry areas often, I do have to enter court houses, post offices, airports, and similar gov't facilities on occassion - some that do have metal detectors and/or very strict penalties if discovered.

I just ordered a secure-it car safe as an added layer of protection if I have no choice but to leave my sidearm in the vehicle. The Jeep does have a locking console and locking glove box, but the locks are far from adequate for securing a friearm. I could upgrade from the OE at a substantial cost for a Tuffy or similar, but decided on the secure-it car safe. A secure-it cabled to the vehicle and perhaps also inside a locked compartment/console will give me better peace of mind.

Generally, I hate the idea of entering non-carry places and leaving a firearm in a vehicle, but sometimes have no other choice. Given I have a soft top 4x4, I went ahead with the purchase of a secure-it safe.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Pinger and GatorFarmer explained well enough that anyone smart enough to carry a gun should be able to figure it out.

BTW, in the otherwise somewhat antigun PDR of MA, there are very few restrictions on where someone with a permit may carry a gun. So it not only makes sense, it's even legal.

 

[LuddhaBuddha]

Like others I only take mine off for metal detectors, but the only place I ever go that is no carry is the courthouse and they have metal detectors.

 

[Forester]

Here in a still free state, the only place forbidden by law is a court building and the post office. Open carry is allowed but not my thing.

 

[Smitty500Mag]

Originally posted by GatorFarmer:
Anyone pat you down or run you through a metal detector? No? Then keep your mouth shut and do what you decide is best for you.

Exactly!! If you don't ever need to use it then no one will ever know. If you do ever need to use it then who cares who knows it then. It's easier to get out of jail than out of a casket.

Smitty

 

[ace1001]

If you had killed the Virginia Tech shooter, no one would realize you were a hero. You would be prosecuted and witnesses would appear at you trial about how you murdered this poor troubled young man who was just having difficulty adjusting to this evil anglo society that you represent. Ace

 

[ace1001]

Guns are a RIGHT in public places, but on private property they are at the pleasure of the owner.
However, if you do not wish to be a SCOTUS test case, you must heed the signs on public buildings. I find it interesting that they leave the signs up for our state gun shows.

 

[Wheelgunner840]

This is a very interesting discussion. I recently asked a person who knows the State laws better than most, and who deals with the lawmakers here on a regular basis.

His contention was that the "gun free school zone" meant one one would face penalties for illegaly possessing a firearm on school property. A person licensed to carry was exempt. He stated that the law was in place to make the penalties harsher for gun crimes committed on school property. This would include carrying a firearm without a permit.

WG840

 

[owb3]

Since I initially posed the question I have learned in Ohio I am probably OK with the gun in the car when dropping the kids off and I am probably OK at work at a university if I keep the gun locked in the car in the parking lot. That's based on an Oklahoma ruling; don't know how that would fly in Ohio.

None of this solves the essential problem of the "gun-free" zone dilemna and thanks for the candid opinions on that issue. But the discussion has helped me think about the finer points of the problem.

 

[Cocked & Locked]

Think Small...

 

[crofoot629]

The ol' "take the law in your own hands","do as you please...". Why not let my brother CC, he's not licensed? "Concealed means concealed". Gee, I'll CC at the bar, I'm concealed, who's to know!
A privilege, not a right, gone haywire....

There are no laws preveinting me from carrying in bars or schools. If it's so bad for some of you, how come I haven't turned into a vampire or flesh eater?

Emory

 

[38-44HD45]

Originally posted by crofoot629:

The ol' "take the law in your own hands","do as you please...". Why not let my brother CC, he's not licensed? "Concealed means concealed". Gee, I'll CC at the bar, I'm concealed, who's to know!
A privilege, not a right, gone haywire....

There are no laws preveinting me from carrying in bars or schools. If it's so bad for some of you, how come I haven't turned into a vampire or flesh eater?

Emory

Or simply burst into flames?

 

[Capt Steve]

There are no laws preveinting me from carrying in bars or schools

Where do you live? Every state I know of has very strict laws in this regard. What am I missing here?

 

[Big Foot]

If you do ever need to use it then who cares who knows it then. It's easier to get out of jail than out of a casket.

In that scenario, there is no difference if you have a CHL or not! So, why not let anyone CC?
All the scum-bags that carry w/o a CHL have the same outlook: I'm concealed who's to know? I'll pull it out when I need it at the nearest "Stop & Rob convenience store...
Bottom line: Be Legal...

 

[flop-shank]

Originally posted by Big Foot:
In that scenario, there is no difference if you have a CHL or not! So, why not let anyone CC?

That's exactly what three states have decided to do, provided the carrier is a law abiding adult.

 

[Titan]

Originally posted by ace1001:
Guns are a RIGHT in public places, but on private property they are at the pleasure of the owner.
However, if you do not wish to be a SCOTUS test case, you must heed the signs on public buildings. I find it interesting that they leave the signs up for our state gun shows.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

I have a natural right, that is affirmed in the second amenment, to protect myself and my family. The state I live in (which sucks) specifically licenses me to carry my weapon concealed.

They list only a small handful of places where I can't carry concealed. I accept those limitations as a condition of the license to carry concealed, and avoid them.

What I DON'T ACCEPT is tha ability of anyone who can carry a mortgage to subordinate my self protection rights to their property rights.

If any property holder with a different political ideology can take away your rights at their whim, then you are wasting your time claiming that you carry for self defense.
.

 

[tiger27]

Double check you state laws. I am in CA, most CCW's think that they cannot go onto school campuses or government buildings, etc. But read your laws... a good instructor would have done your homework for you. In CA, CCW's circumvent laws pertaining to firearms on or around schools and most government buildings. Those laws are in place for criminal retards. The CCW (at least in CA) is so difficult to get for that reason. Only a truely responsible person with good cause can get one and the restrictions are lifted when you get it.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

Originally posted by Capt Steve:

There are no laws preveinting me from carrying in bars or schools

Where do you live? Every state I know of has very strict laws in this regard. What am I missing here?

Can't say what Crofoot meant, but laws often don't prevent the things they outlaw. They just make them illegal.

BTW, MA doesn't outlaw carrying in a bar, although it certainly outlaws carrying under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs. It also doesn't completely outlaw carrying in schools (legal with written permission from the officer or board in charge). I suspect that there are some other states with similar laws.