Is the 357 SIG gone?

[zymurgeist]

The .357 Sig is NOT a necked down .40 case. If you necked down a .40 case it would be too short.

Quite right. I pulled that from somewhere else without checking it.

 

[bloodlord77]

It's a shame that the 357 hasen't caught on more than it has seeing how it out performs the 9, .40, or .45

 

[eahicks]

It's a shame that the 357 hasen't caught on more than it has seeing how it out performs the 9, .40, or .45

Uh you got stats to back that? Depends what ammo compared to what. Many 9mm and 45 loads that blow out 357 Sig. I prefer straight 357 mag for more power.


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[shawn mccarver]

Well then a 9mm would be called a .355. So I think there is a reason for the different name.

Yes, the reason, according the then National Sales Manager for SIG was to make the caliber sound like the .357 Magnum revolver cartridge. This was supposed to induce LE administrators into buying it on the theory that it was good as the 125/1400 load in the revolver.

 

[bloodlord77]

Uh you got stats to back that? Depends what ammo compared to what. Many 9mm and 45 loads that blow out 357 Sig. I prefer straight 357 mag for

I test all four calibers extensively

The Penetration Channel

 

[Bkreutz]

I always thought the 357 Sig was a cartridge looking for a reason to exist. (same thoughts on the 5.7 and .22TCM)

 

[Mahalo_.32]

I test all four calibers extensively

The Penetration Channel

Thank you for that video, your test seems quite fair as well as NON-BIAS.
Personally, i like all of the calibers tested. truthfully, i expected the .40 to punch through as much as the 9 and .357

 

[Biggfoot44]

I've always felt the .40 was the ctg that was answering a non-existent question. ( I could ramble about the real reasons for its instant sucuess, but that's to drifty for this thread.

The .357Sig exactly fills a niche, and does exactly what was claimed for it. ( You have to look at exactly what was claimed for, not what some people mentally extrapolated from there.)

Service sized semiauto, on 9mm/ .40 frame size, matching the performance of then current name brand 125gr .357Mag fired from 2.5-3.0 inch bbls .

Categorically does that. Depending on specific guns and specific lots of ammo some Sig can overlap with some 4in Mag.

Dosen't claim to handle same range of bullet weights , or match power levels of max handloads/ boutique loads.

I've see more explanations about why the bottleneck.357Sig feeds better than 9mm/ .40 , than explanations about why it would be worse , by close to 2 to 1. Is one side right, and the other full of it ? IDK. But I'm in proximity to enough .357 users, and no complaints about unreliability.

 

[Arik]

I always thought the 357 Sig was a cartridge looking for a reason to exist. (same thoughts on the 5.7 and .22TCM)

The 5.7 was an answer to NATO asking to replace the 9mm. At the time NATO thought of doing away with the 9m handgun and replacing it with the PDW (Personal Defense Weapon). Think something along the lines of the P90, HK MP7. Basically a firearm the size of an Uzi, MP5 but with better ballistics then the 9mm. This weapon would be for someone who's in a dangerous area but not in the front lines.

The 5.7 won over the 4.6x30 HK. The Germans objected and standardization was halted.

The P90 PDW is used by a lot of special forces around the world. US secret service uses them as well.


Besides that.....357 Sig, like everything else is just technology moving forward. It doesn't always work and may not become popular but technology doesn't stop. If you look at it, 9x19 was a cartridge looking for a reason to exist too. It's parent was the 7.65x21 Parabellum. And it's parent was the 7.65x25 Borchardt.


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[Walt Sherrill]

The .357 SIG round is still around, and SIG still makes several models using that round. S&W has discontinued their .357 semi-autos, and if you go to the S&W site, you won't find any there.

(There's a long post elsewhere here on the forum about the problems the NC Highway Patrol had with their S&W M&Ps in .357; S&W couldn't get them right, and the NCHP switched to SIG 229s in .357.)

Some LEO agencies feel the .357 round does a better job of penetrating windshields than other rounds.

 

[DNS109]

Great , I just ordered a barrel for my m&p.

 

[hkcavalier]

I came here to pretty much post what Bonkers posted (not quoting since it was a really long post).

The .357SIG failed/is failing since all the civilian action is in compact and subcompacts. Bottleneck cartridges dependent on high velocity and enough barrel length to properly get up to speed are not great choices for short barrel guns! Back in the late '90s I shot a Glock 33 and hated it.

With that said, I think a Glock 24 with a .357 SIG barrel and a light/laser combo might make the ultimate HD pistol.

 

[mpshld9]

Mine is! Had a short stay too!

 

[Elkins45]

I own at least six pistols in 357, so obviously I'm a fan. I bought a 357 M&P when Buds had some police trade ins. Nice gun, great shooter. I also bought a H&K USP Compact with night sights and three magazines for about $450. The same gun in 9mm would probably have been $200 more--and it probably wouldn't have been on the shelf for so long. There are some real bargains to be had on 357 guns because of perception and attitudes, and I'm fine with that.

As long as the Secret Service and Texas DPS continue to use it, fired brass will be available. I have enough JHP on my shelf to hold me over.

 

[Squaregrouper]

I recently sold a USPc in .357 Sig because I could only find ammo online and it was pricey (especially w/shipping). It became a safe queen and I am a shooter, not a collector.
FWIW- Underwood 125gr Gold Dots were travelling at ~1625fps out of that pistol!!! That is NOT a watered down .357 Magnum when loaded as designed. Too bad company lawyers scared ammo manufacturers into dumbing down their loads to a pseudo 9mm +P.

 

[Squaregrouper]

I own at least six pistols in 357, so obviously I'm a fan. I bought a 357 M&P when Buds had some police trade ins. Nice gun, great shooter. I also bought a H&K USP Compact with night sights and three magazines for about $450. The same gun in 9mm would probably have been $200 more--and it probably wouldn't have been on the shelf for so long. There are some real bargains to be had on 357 guns because of perception and attitudes, and I'm fine with that.

As long as the Secret Service and Texas DPS continue to use it, fired brass will be available. I have enough JHP on my shelf to hold me over.

Must have been an unaware LGS. The USPc in .357 Sig (from the factory) is rare and H&K fanboys will pay dearly for one. Look for one on Gunbroker and you'll see what I mean.