flop-shank
US Veteran
Nine is fine with good modern ammo and is the king of capacity amongst major service calibers.
Is the 9mm really that poor?
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sipowicz
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From my experience running the mobile range for the past 5 years, most officers shoot way better with the 9 than either the 40 or 45...
I really like my .45's, but when I carry a 9mm, I most definitely do NOT feel "under-gunned".
And I have yet to see anyone who trashes the 9 as a less than manly round, offer to take two in the chest to prove the point.
And I have yet to see anyone who trashes the 9 as a less than manly round, offer to take two in the chest to prove the point.
Knightrider03m
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The fact of the matter is, is that handguns of any size don't do a good job on stopping people. A 9mm is the perfect balance between stopping power and practicality. I'm trust both of my 9s with my life.
The fact of the matter is, is that handguns of any size don't do a good job on stopping people. A 9mm is the perfect balance between stopping power and practicality. I'm trust both of my 9s with my life.
Not sure about your statement since I have a cousin with LAPD and they have been using the .40 for a while. Also, if you will search some public records, you will find the military is phasing out the 9mm and as such, is currently using both until the phase out is completed.
Yes, the 9mm has been around a long time but then so has the buggy whip. Times change. Technology changes. Better ideas come and go once an even better idea arrives.
There will always be people that want the 9mm and that is fine if they are comfortable with it. I still often carry a S&W .357 with six rounds and do not feel undergunned. I also stated I am not a fan of Glock but I carry the Glock 22 during my daily work. All I am saying is the studies show the 9mm to be an inferior projectile to the .40 and most depts have gone to the .40 while other depts allow carry of several approved calibers, one of which is the 9mm.
The military recently ordered a ton of new Beretta M9's. Sure the USCG and some individual units are using .40's, but in general it's still the M9 and will be for the forseeable future.
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flop-shank
US Veteran
FWIW, it ought to be mentioned that the military uses the 9mm NATO. It's a different cartridge because it runs at higher pressure than even commercial +P+ 9mm offerings IIRC. I doubt that the U.S. would ditch the NATO cartridge without the other member nations agreeing to do so. Also, military ammo is FMJ, so those of us not restricted to the use of such ammo ought to look at the performance of the best JHPs, not the battlefield performance of nonexpanding bullets.
sheriffoconee
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Al Gore invented the internet for two purposes:
Ultra fast immediate access to porn
Making 9mm shooters feel that their carry gun is inadequate
I don't need the porn, and I believe no matter what caliber, center mass hits count
Ultra fast immediate access to porn
Making 9mm shooters feel that their carry gun is inadequate
I don't need the porn, and I believe no matter what caliber, center mass hits count
I think it all comes down to that Sheriff. Good hits. And just as important, keep getting good hit's until the subject is out of the fight.
I carry all three calibers and don't feel bad about either. I am confident in my ability to defend myself effectively with either one.
We can argue/discuss caliber choice all we want. And some people do. We all know that caliber selection is only part of the self defense package as well as gun selection, training, practice, and mindset. One without the rest is dangerous to yourself and those around you.
If they can't hit you running, then try standing still.
What kanewpadle said is true. Bullet placement is the key with any type of ammo. Normaly,I aim for the eyes with my 9mm Glocks and my revolvers in .357/.38 ammo. So you can take it for what it is worth but,also the shot placement is key to putting bg down and to make sure the bg dont get back up. rz625-8
BigRich315
Member
My favorite quote on the subject: "sure it matters who's got the biggest stick, but it matters alot more who's swinging it."
reerc
Member
What? A caliber war on an internet forum?
Crazy K38
Member
well i have a few comments, if you are looking between the 9mm and the .40 my winchester PDX1 JHP will expand to over .60 and fly at over 1000 fps, and second there was a saying that was pretty darn true, a .45 will make a substantial wound a 9mm will make a substantial number of wounds, both do the job go with what works for you
ColbyBruce
Member
You guys need to quit depending on those 100 year old cartridges and get yourself a 10mm.
Crazy K38
Member
you know the ballistics on my .40 still don't touch my '100 year old' .45 both do the job I just love the .45
ColbyBruce
Member
"I have a 10mm. I use it every time I bleed the brakes on a Corolla"
Strato, you have a Toyota with working brakes? You better check that thing for recalls, LOL!!
Strato, you have a Toyota with working brakes? You better check that thing for recalls, LOL!!
Actually my ex has the Toyota and she became my ex because she recently got pregnant from another man.
I think the brakes work
