LEO might beable to explain

[7shooter]

It is nothing to do with Minnesota. With my MN CCW permit, I walk into the store, plunk down my money and walk out wiyh the gun. Yes, I fill out a form; the part the LGS fills out is even longer. I assume they phone in a check, but it has never delayed me noticeably.

Same here. I have always walked out the door with my purchase the same day in MN.

 

[JcMack]

Needless to say. Don't put your SSN on the 4473.

 

[rbert0005]

UPIN number. Worked for me.
There are some hoops to jump thru, but no more delays....

I means nothing to you what goes on in other States and what happens when other people buy guns. The bottom line is YOU get delayed. The UPIN number will take care of that.

Bob

 

[JSR III]

Plus 1 on what rbert0005 says. Get the UPIN and your delays will be eliminated. It is basically a doublecheck of the doublecheck. It may be a PITA to go through but you will never have to wait again. Not sure what they do or how they do it, but they basically remove any same name conflicts from "your" file so that future checks are a breeze.

 

[bp231986]

Google your name and it should give you a good idea if your name is being macthed with any BG or persons that would not be able to purchase a weapon due to a felony. It takes me less than 5 minutes to get approved. They make the call transfer the information and the person on the other side of the phone says "You may proceed with the sale" owner of the gun shop say will that be cash or plastic? Ive noticed that sometimes the person on the other line will say hold... and will be put on hold anywere from 30 seconds to 5 minutes then will come back with an answer.

 

[ohiobuckeye]

Doug M nailed the most common reason for a NICS delay...and it will continue to happen until you get the form from a dealer and apply for a PIN number. All this does is permit the NICS center to retain your information given on the first page of the 4473 form. Name, address, description, etc...NO fireams info.
I have had customers with top secret government clearance experience the same delays because some hoodlum had a similar name or gave a ficticious SS number that happened to match the customer. If you have suffered from repeated delays, obtaining the PIN number is your only option to avoid more delays. Having the dealer give you the NICS transaction number won't do you any good for a delay but is needed to appeal a total denial. If there is no NICS response to a delay within "three days", the dealer can transfer the firearm to you...but that is his option...not yours, and the way those business days are counted, it will be at least the fifth day before the transfer can be completed...longer if a weekend is involved.

 

[Flathead]

I obtained a UPIN about 4 years ago after being denied a purchase and used it the day after I receiveved it. I have never had to use it since. Definitely the way to go.

 

[JJEH]

No issues here in OK. If you pay for it you can walk it out the store...

 

[kudzu3]

I believe I'd move.

 

[RPNelson]

How do I get / apply for the UPIN??

 

[Poodle Soup]

If you do not have a carry permit in Iowa there is a cooling period for buying firearms. (or was since I have a carry permit I never really cared to much) This means you have to wait a day or two so buying this gun is not an impulse thing.

Example "hey honey can you do the dishes?"
"I thought that was your job? Wheres my sandwich?"

Ten mins latter she walks in the door loading buck shot into a shotgun

 

[cowart]

my question is why am I always on delay when I want to buy a gun??... I dont understand how this system works.

It looks like nobody has actually provided a specific answer.

When you undergo a NICS check, they obtain information about you needed to verify your status and eligibility to purchase a firearm. This may or may not require several days to accomplish.

Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions within 24 hours of notification to the FFL. If a potential purchaser is delayed or denied a firearm and successfully appeals the decision, the NICS Section cannot retain a record of the oveturned appeal. If the record is not able to be updated, the purchaser continues to be denied or delayed, and if that individual appeals the decision the documentation must be resubmitted on every subsequent appeal. For this reason, the Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) has been established. This process permits applicants to request the NICS maintain information about themselves in the VAF to prevent future erroneous denials or extended delays of a firearm transfer.

See
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics_vaf_brochure_eng.pdf

 

[RPNelson]

If you do not have a carry permit in Iowa there is a cooling period for buying firearms. (or was since I have a carry permit I never really cared to much) This means you have to wait a day or two so buying this gun is not an impulse thing.

Example "hey honey can you do the dishes?"
"I thought that was your job? Wheres my sandwich?"

Ten mins latter she walks in the door loading buck shot into a shotgun

LMAO!! The scary thing is that c**p truly happens!!

 

[David LaPell]

Even here in NY once you get the purchase coupon from your county clerk you can get the pistol that day. One thing that delays people is having a similar name or DOB of someone with an order of protection, or other issue. My parents are in the middle of a messy divorce and my father because he is an idiot now has an OTP, so the last time I bought a gun I listed my SSN on the 4473 form and it sailed through. I have seen people with warrants get held up getting released from jail or have something come up as a hold for the same reason. I know people don't want to, but use your SSN.

 

[Rule3]

It looks like nobody has actually provided a specific answer.

When you undergo a NICS check, they obtain information about you needed to verify your status and eligibility to purchase a firearm. This may or may not require several days to accomplish.

Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions within 24 hours of notification to the FFL. If a potential purchaser is delayed or denied a firearm and successfully appeals the decision, the NICS Section cannot retain a record of the oveturned appeal. If the record is not able to be updated, the purchaser continues to be denied or delayed, and if that individual appeals the decision the documentation must be resubmitted on every subsequent appeal. For this reason, the Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) has been established. This process permits applicants to request the NICS maintain information about themselves in the VAF to prevent future erroneous denials or extended delays of a firearm transfer.

See
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics_vaf_brochure_eng.pdf

AKA: UPIN

FBI — NICS Appeal Frequently Asked Questions

U.S. Department of Justice
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Clarksburg, WV 26306
Washington, DC 20226

December 15, 2004​

TO: FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSEES (FFLs)
Pursuant to the Final Rule enacted on July 20, 2004, by the Department of Justice in The Federal Register, Volume 69, Number 141, the Federal Bureau of Investigation's (FBI) National Instant Criminal Background Check System's (NICS) Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) has been established. This process permits applicants to request that the FBI NICS Section maintain information about them in the VAF, a separate file to be checked by the NICS, to prevent erroneous denials and extended delays in the future. Lawful purchasers who have been delayed or denied a firearm transfer because they have a name or date of birth similar to that of a prohibited person may also request that the FBI NICS Section maintain information about them to facilitate future firearms transactions. Under this new process, potential purchasers may apply to be considered for entry into the VAF by signing an applicant statement, which authorizes the FBI NICS Section to retain information that would otherwise be destroyed upon the approval of the firearm transaction. This retained information includes but is not limited to: a fingerprint card, court documentation, correspondence, and information contained in the applicant's appeal file if one exists. The applicant must also supply the FBI NICS Section with the reason for which they believe they would be erroneously denied or would receive an extended delay.

The application process also requires that positive proof of identity be provided by way of rolled fingerprint impressions prepared by a law enforcement agency on a fingerprint card. Additionally, the FBI NICS Section will also accept any certified court documentation that may assist in the application process. This may include but is not limited to: court documentation and pardons. Individuals may also provide Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Relief of Disabilities. This information will be retained in the VAF and will not be returned. If at any time an individual wishes to be removed from the VAF, the NICS is required to destroy their documentation upon request.

Additionally, if the FBI NICS Section discovers a disqualifying record on the individual after their entry into the VAF, the FBI NICS Section may remove the individual's information from the file. In either case, the individual will be notified by mail that their information has been removed.

At the conclusion of the FBI NICS Section's research, the applicant will receive a letter from the FBI NICS Section indicating the outcome of the research as being successful, unsuccessful or the information insufficient. Successful applicants will be provided a unique personal identifier number (UPIN) which they will provide to the FFL for all future purchases. The applicant will retain the original letter for their files. The ATF recommends the UPIN be placed in block 18(a) of the ATF Form 4473 until such time that the form can be revised.

In the future, the UPIN will be provided to the Call Center Representative during the initial background check. In the interim, all subsequent NICS checks on those individuals with UPINs must be conducted through the FBI NICS Section at 1-877-444-6427. Select option six from the automated menu to be transferred to a VAF Customer Service Representative. The FFL must state that they are conducting a NICS check on an individual who has provided a UPIN. The FFL will provide the UPIN to the VAF Representative and the rest of the process will remain the same.

If you have any questions regarding this communication, you may contact the FBI NICS Section Customer Service at telephone number 1-877-444-6427.

Sincerely yours,
​

Eugene W. Donaldson
Section Chief
NICS Section
Criminal Justice Information
Services Division​

 

[RPNelson]

Appeal

It looks like nobody has actually provided a specific answer.

When you undergo a NICS check, they obtain information about you needed to verify your status and eligibility to purchase a firearm. This may or may not require several days to accomplish.

Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions within 24 hours of notification to the FFL. If a potential purchaser is delayed or denied a firearm and successfully appeals the decision, the NICS Section cannot retain a record of the oveturned appeal. If the record is not able to be updated, the purchaser continues to be denied or delayed, and if that individual appeals the decision the documentation must be resubmitted on every subsequent appeal. For this reason, the Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) has been established. This process permits applicants to request the NICS maintain information about themselves in the VAF to prevent future erroneous denials or extended delays of a firearm transfer.

See
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics_vaf_brochure_eng.pdf

I waited 8 days for my Sigma and the delay still hadnt been lifted. Only reason I got it then was because of store policy. I printed out this voluntary appeal form and am wondering do I need another form with it? It mentions a VAF application..do I need to do that too? Also, where the hell do I get a fingerprint done at..?

 

[growr]

All of this extra stuff makes me glad I live in Montana. With your CC you fill out the 4473 they photocopy your ID and it's over to the counter to pay. Almost like the good ole days.........the retailers LOVE it and so do I!

Randy

 

[Rule3]

I waited 8 days for my Sigma and the delay still hadnt been lifted. Only reason I got it then was because of store policy. I printed out this voluntary appeal form and am wondering do I need another form with it? It mentions a VAF application..do I need to do that too? Also, where the hell do I get a fingerprint done at..?

How can it be "store" policy? They can not override Federal Law.
If you NCIS was delayed NICS has 3 days to either approve or deny. If no reply by them, they store needs to release it.

Unless it's some convoluted MN law???

As to prints, get electronic ones at your local Sheriff or Police Dept. At least that's what it is here. In MN you may have to go to the Capital As, I mention I lived and worked in the Twin Cities so I am just messing with ya about MN.

 

[NFrameFred]

They're just making sure you're not R P Nelson the pedophile ax murderer . . . .

 

[gejoslin]

Ark and TX

It looks like nobody has actually provided a specific answer.

When you undergo a NICS check, they obtain information about you needed to verify your status and eligibility to purchase a firearm. This may or may not require several days to accomplish.

Per Title 28, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 25.9(b)(1), (2), and (3), the NICS Section must destroy all identifying information on allowed transactions within 24 hours of notification to the FFL. If a potential purchaser is delayed or denied a firearm and successfully appeals the decision, the NICS Section cannot retain a record of the oveturned appeal. If the record is not able to be updated, the purchaser continues to be denied or delayed, and if that individual appeals the decision the documentation must be resubmitted on every subsequent appeal. For this reason, the Voluntary Appeal File (VAF) has been established. This process permits applicants to request the NICS maintain information about themselves in the VAF to prevent future erroneous denials or extended delays of a firearm transfer.

See
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics_vaf_brochure_eng.pdf

Here in Ark. 15 mins for NICS check then out the door with sales recp. Three years ago was same in TX. May have changed since then.