By George you are right. I wonder why they quit?
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By George you are right. I wonder why they quit?
Harkrader
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I echo the comments about buying one bigger than you think you need.
Also, the advice to look for a blem or remainder. I saved by buying a demo.
As to moving them, *I* would never try it, but I was surprised when the movers showed up with a flatbed and NO tools! They slid it down a ramp onto 1" diameter PCB (PCP? The plastic ones) pipes. They rolled it to our front step and then up onto 2" and then 3" pipes before rolling it onto 3" ones again to get to the door. Once inside, they put it on 1" pipes again and used them all the way to the installation point. It was very easy to push.
For stairs? Different story. I saw a neat device that actually hydraulically descended and climbed the stairs. Amazing.
Also, the advice to look for a blem or remainder. I saved by buying a demo.
As to moving them, *I* would never try it, but I was surprised when the movers showed up with a flatbed and NO tools! They slid it down a ramp onto 1" diameter PCB (PCP? The plastic ones) pipes. They rolled it to our front step and then up onto 2" and then 3" pipes before rolling it onto 3" ones again to get to the door. Once inside, they put it on 1" pipes again and used them all the way to the installation point. It was very easy to push.
For stairs? Different story. I saw a neat device that actually hydraulically descended and climbed the stairs. Amazing.
David harleyson
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I have a liberty safe with a mechanical lock, which works fine and a winchester with a digital lock. On the winchester the lock went bad after only about 2 yrs. I called winchester and asked to purchase the lock, and they informed me they no longer sold parts, that I would have to get it through a lock smith. I have contacted 2 lock smiths and they are not interested in ordering it for me. Needless to say, one safe is for security and one is for storage. I am not happy with my winchester safe.
Rastoff
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I'm not clear on the issue here. How is radiant heat related to leaking?
There are 4 holes in the floor of your safe. Once bolted down properly, nothing will leak through those holes.
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jframe
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Bought the Fatboy Jr. today and got $35.00 rebate in store on it, and another $35.00 I have to mail in to Liberty when it's delivered. Going to bite the bullet and pay the $250.00 for set up. The house we live in is rented property from a friend of mine, and I'm not too wild about drilling into his hardwood floors that are probably 100 years old. May reconsider doing that when I get a chance to talk to him about it first. Right now, just waiting to get it here. I realize that the gun count on most safes is more or less b.s., but it's not really an issue with me, since my long guns only number four. Mostly S&W's and a lone Browning.
Be careful where you place the safe and pay attention when they move it in the house. They don't build houses like they used too. But the floors in many 100 year old homes were never built with floors to hold that kind of weight. See if there is a crawl space and take a look.
Rastoff
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It shouldn't be a big problem. The safe weighs in at 760lbs. Because that weight is spread out over the entire safe foot print, this means that there is about 100lbs per sq foot. That's less than an average person standing up.
Rastoff
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This is wise. You could move it yourself, but this way it will be put in properly. One thing a lot of people don't think about is leveling the safe properly. That will make the door much easier to operate. The pros will do this as part of the service.
MrTrolleyguy
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Professional safe movers might be worth the money. They will lay out plywood to prevent damage to floor. Locally a fellow cracked all his tile flooring moving a big Liberty safe. They have lift gates and motorized dollies that even climb stairs. Save you back. Your health is priceless. JMO
You'll be doing good with only 4 long guns! I also have the Fatboy Jr. and am happy with it but the entire front row is useless for rifles unless you turn them sideways ect. I had to move the safe recently-cut up some thick wall plastic pipe into 24" pieces and then just put more in front of the safe as I rolled it, even went around a corner. Wasn't too hard even by myself.
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Jeff423
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He is worried about hitting a radiant heat line in the floor when he drills the holes for mounting.
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SJshooter
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Liberty Safes are great. But that photo of the destroyed safe that someone tried to break into is a bit deceiving. These safes can be (relatively) easy to get into if you go through the side and have enough room to swing a fire axe. The doors are thick and look most impressive, but the sides and back are generally 12 or 14 gauge steel, which is not exactly Fort Knox and will succumb to sharp blunt force quickly. My advice would be to get one that is much bigger than you think you need (you will be surprised what finds its way in there once you get one). And to bolt it down or to a back wall. If you can put it in a confined space, all the better. The two ways someone is going to have a MUCH easier time getting in is if they can tip it over and/or have wide access to the sides.
If you can get it wired for lights, DO IT. You will not be sorry. If they can put a power strip in, you can also install a dehumidifying bar and keep that plugged in, too.
Another piece of advice is to get a dial lock over the digital. The digital need battery replacements (and probably at the worst possible time) and in my opinion looks a bit tacky on such an otherwise high-end piece.
Final word of advice is to hide it away. These things are real lookers, and the temptation is to put it in the house where you can show it off. Huge mistake. Keep it away from windows and where visitors will never see it. When someone sees a big safe (through a window, especially), their minds starts racing wondering what is so valuable that is inside. It is just too much temptation for some people, and may even make you a target for a more serious burglary. Hide it!
Here are some snaps from when I got mine about 7 years ago:
I got the large one pictured above. We had a few break-ins in our neighborhood and I thought that would be PLENTY big for my three-gun collection, a couple of laptops, and maybe some important documents. I wish I had a current pic! The gun collection has swelled to nearly 20 guns plus rifles, and the safe is PACKED with valuables, AR clips, Glock mags, holsters, S&W boxes, documents, jewelery, and countless things my wife has crammed in. You definitely should buy twice the space you think you need. Oh to have the space I had then! The safe above is about 5.5 feet tall and if I had to do it again I would have found a way to pay for one twice the size.
If you can get it wired for lights, DO IT. You will not be sorry. If they can put a power strip in, you can also install a dehumidifying bar and keep that plugged in, too.
Another piece of advice is to get a dial lock over the digital. The digital need battery replacements (and probably at the worst possible time) and in my opinion looks a bit tacky on such an otherwise high-end piece.
Final word of advice is to hide it away. These things are real lookers, and the temptation is to put it in the house where you can show it off. Huge mistake. Keep it away from windows and where visitors will never see it. When someone sees a big safe (through a window, especially), their minds starts racing wondering what is so valuable that is inside. It is just too much temptation for some people, and may even make you a target for a more serious burglary. Hide it!
Here are some snaps from when I got mine about 7 years ago:
I got the large one pictured above. We had a few break-ins in our neighborhood and I thought that would be PLENTY big for my three-gun collection, a couple of laptops, and maybe some important documents. I wish I had a current pic! The gun collection has swelled to nearly 20 guns plus rifles, and the safe is PACKED with valuables, AR clips, Glock mags, holsters, S&W boxes, documents, jewelery, and countless things my wife has crammed in. You definitely should buy twice the space you think you need. Oh to have the space I had then! The safe above is about 5.5 feet tall and if I had to do it again I would have found a way to pay for one twice the size.
Rastoff
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It's not deceiving at all. In fact, it's the perfect example of how good a safe can be when properly installed.
I already mentioned that the safe was bolted down. What I didn't mention, is that the safe was in a place where the criminal couldn't get to the sides or back. The left side was up against a wall so, it couldn't be pried on easily.
I also included the anecdote about the other guy to show that if it isn't bolted down, the security is seriously compromised.
The installation is just as important as any other aspect of the safe.
As for the electronic lock, it makes no difference. They are equally secure. The battery is replaceable from the outside. So, if it dies, just put a new one in. Looks are subjective and individual.
The best aspect of the electronic lock is ease of use. The combination can be set to anything the user wants. And, if you want to give someone temporary access, it can have multiple combinations. Also, the combination can be changed periodically by the user. The dial combo cannot.
I agree with everything except the electronic lock. They are ALL junk!
Sorry, but I get a call at least once a month when they fail. Usually with the door shut. They are all made in China and poorly made at that. Yet nobody listens.
Convenient yes. Secure, no. Reliable, no.
Exactly...I'm concerned I'll cut one of the pipes inside the concrete floor. If that happens, I'll be buying a college education for the plumber's kid.
Rastoff
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Do the pipes extend into the closets? Garage?
Bourget117
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I have this exact safe. It's not big enough.
Based on the reported number, 48, I should be able to get 24 long guns on one side; I can't, you can't, no one could. If you didn't have any scopes or pistol grips or guns longer than 50.5", you might be able to squeeze more than I have in there, but you still won't get 24 on one side. Nope, not gonna happen. Just to get what I have in there, I have a couple in gun socks that are just leaning on each other and not in the designated spots. It's not the end of the world. Just know that 48 is a marketing number based on some kind of 4th dimension quantum physics, not reality.
Here's why I bought a Liberty Residential Security Container:
On Thanksgiving day, 2011, the owner of this safe was away from home. Nearest they can figure, the criminals had at least 3 hours to work on this safe. They didn't get in and none of the guns were stolen. I just happened to be in the store when this was delivered and got this pic. This is a Centurion which is their lowest end model. They had just brought this one back from replacing it for free.
While I was taking this pic, another guy walked in just fuming. He didn't have a Liberty safe and it wasn't bolted to the floor. Yep, he lost all his guns.
There are better, more secure safes, but not at this price. Pay the $200 or so to have it professionally installed. Your back will thank you and it will be placed right the first time.
I've been looking long and hard for a decent safe without having to spend a lot of money now. I'm trying to keep it under $1000 but it seems like they are all junk. That centurion though is very impressive Although it's now called the revolution model. I wonder if I went with their new entry level safe if it's as good as that centurion? What is the gauge of the centurion? I know that the Revolutin is 14 gauge.
