M&P 15-22 Broke After 6 Rounds

[27 Beck]

The 15-22 has ALAB! .... and speaking of... I kinda miss ALAB on the Black Dog mags.

But you can get the $10.00 loader that makes the Black Dog mags easy to load. AND, Black Dog is adding ALAB to their next generation of mags, ALONG WITH steel lips.

 

[BELT_FED]

A set of steel lips would be very nice... makes all the difference in the world

 

[magpul83]

IF THIS IS THEIR GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE, THIS IS THE LAST SMITH AND WESSON I WILL EVER BUY!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello all, I'll introduce myself with a different take on a similar situation.

I purchased my M&P15-22 on 02/05/2010 from GAT Guns in Dundee, IL. I was aware that some M&P15-22's had FTF and FTE issues, but I confident that I was buying a quality product and would not have any issues. I was mistaken.

Shortly after I picked up the rifle, down to the range for a quick clean, lube, and break in. Shortly after sighting in my Bushnell red-dot, I was having constant Failure to Feed FTF issues. Out of the 75-100 rounds I was able to put down range, I would guess that 1/5 were FTF. A final "double-tap" in the receiver was the last straw. Needless to say, I was not a happy camper, so I took it up with S&W directly per the advice of the helpful folks at GAT.

I spoke with a "Jeff" at Smith and Wesson and he was a true professional and a pleasure to deal with. 3-5 business days later, I received the shipping label, and then my M&P15-22 was off to S&W. I received the rifle back TODAY, and could not be more pleased with the results. 250 rounds down range earlier this evening, not a single FTF or FTE.

S&W stepped up, corrected all issues I identified, and returned it in a reasonable time-frame. I did not receive any free goodies, but they did replace the (5) magazines I sent with new ones. I was told their customer service is top notch. IT IS. Major props to Smith and Wesson for standing behind their products, and having professional, helpful staff.

Figured I would share my experience FWIW.


Cheers!




Justin

 

[xx1trackxx]

I'm getting mine back today after repairs. They had the rifle for about a 4 business days before shipping it back. I'm not sure they fixed it but they definitely responded in a timely manner.

 

[leadfinger]

I broke it in less than a week

I bought my MP1522 about a week ago and it jammed about 50% of the time with various ammo (federal bulk, golden saber, mini mag, etc.). I was very disappointed. I cleaned it, and surfed the net for information to resolve the problem. I read that the ejection lever should not be parallel to the chamber, but slightly bent inward. It was slightly bent inward, but I bent it further, as to contact the recessed wall of the bolt slide. I took it to the range, and it shot 300 rounds of all ammo flawlessly. Well almost. As I was testing the various ammo for accuracy, the gun broke. I was about half way through a mag of golden saber, when this happened. I have not disturbed the gun, but rather took pics. It Looks like the firing pin, or ejector broke. Has anyone else had this problem?

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

But you can get the $10.00 loader that makes the Black Dog mags easy to load. AND, Black Dog is adding ALAB to their next generation of mags, ALONG WITH steel lips.

Good... cuz I'm planning on shooting a few more rounds next week....

 

[torchrider]

Very Disappointed.

I bought my first new S&W, a 15-22. Put my first 50 rounds through it and thought, now this is fun. Then about 1/2 way through the next 50 rounds, one jam after another. I could not get a round to feed.Then I noticed a small piece of metal on the bench. Sure enough it was the feed ramp and I was dead in the water. Now I get to go through the hassles of shipping the firearm back and waiting for who knows how long. And who is to say the next one wont do the same thing?

Gotta say, I have purchased a lot of firearms, but this is the first time I didn't get through a single range session before having to send it back. Not very happy with my first S&W experience so far.

 

[DownRange&Upwind]

I bought my first new S&W, a 15-22. Put my first 50 rounds through it and thought, now this is fun. Then about 1/2 way through the next 50 rounds, one jam after another. I could not get a round to feed.Then I noticed a small piece of metal on the bench. Sure enough it was the feed ramp and I was dead in the water. Now I get to go through the hassles of shipping the firearm back and waiting for who knows how long. And who is to say the next one wont do the same thing?

Gotta say, I have purchased a lot of firearms, but this is the first time I didn't get through a single range session before having to send it back. Not very happy with my first S&W experience so far.

What was the Serial out of curiosity? Was it one of the DTU models? Those seem to have the majority of the problems with this particular rifle. Thank God that Im setting at around 2 or 3 k round with no problems on my 15 22 Hope it all keeps on this way. My rifle is a DUU serial, and "so far" not one problem other than the occasional ammo that was a dud.. Nothing compared to Beltfeds OVER 20k+ rounds with ZERO issues lol.

 

[torchrider]

First 3 digits are DTD.

 

[DownRange&Upwind]

First 3 digits are DTD.

DTD? WOW didnt know they went back THAT far. I thought the rifle's started at DTU, wow that rifle you have is one of the VERY first produced then. As the DTU are the most reported as having FTF's, ejector problems, etc etc. Your rifles mfg. date HAS to be mid or even early 2009 I would assume, that was a BAD time for the M&P 25 22 it seems.

 

[rakusi]

DTD? WOW didnt know they went back THAT far. I thought the rifle's started at DTU, wow that rifle you have is one of the VERY first produced then. As the DTU are the most reported as having FTF's, ejector problems, etc etc. Your rifles mfg. date HAS to be mid or even early 2009 I would assume, that was a BAD time for the M&P 25 22 it seems.

Nope, DTM right here (with no FTF/FTE/broken parts *knocks on wood*). But agreed, a DTD would probably be one of the first batches of 15-22s.

Torchrider, send it back to S&W for it to be updated to newest specs; their customer service has been (from what I've seen, anyway) great with returned 15-22s, and I'm sure you'll be happy with it when you get it back

 

[DownRange&Upwind]

Nope, DTM right here (with no FTF/FTE/broken parts *knocks on wood*). But agreed, a DTD would probably be one of the first batches of 15-22s.

Torchrider, send it back to S&W for it to be updated to newest specs; their customer service has been (from what I've seen, anyway) great with returned 15-22s, and I'm sure you'll be happy with it when you get it back

I meant a DTM... I even have a buddy that has that serial.. they say the mind is the first to go once you "get old" I think I'm before my time, as im only 35 lol.

 

[Vegas Mike]

I think what people are forgetting is that on a gun specific forum like this, a majority of the posts will be from people having an issue. It's rare for someone to make a thread that simply says "my gun is working perfect".

Think about how many of these guns have been made and produced since it was released. Is it expected of S&W to have a 100% success rate? I'm sure if you knew the actual percentage of guns being returned for issues, you would be surprised how low it is. When S&W debuted the gun at the shot show in the plexiglass case, they took over 50,000 orders at that show alone, and the riffle wasn't even in full production.

They tested the crud out of it, at one point shooting 30,000 rounds through a test model. Magazine after magazine until they shot all 30,000 rounds at their private range in Springfield.

 

[grimreaper21]

I think what people are forgetting is that on a gun specific forum like this, a majority of the posts will be from people having an issue. It's rare for someone to make a thread that simply says "my gun is working perfect".

Think about how many of these guns have been made and produced since it was released. Is it expected of S&W to have a 100% success rate? I'm sure if you knew the actual percentage of guns being returned for issues, you would be surprised how low it is. When S&W debuted the gun at the shot show in the plexiglass case, they took over 50,000 orders at that show alone, and the riffle wasn't even in full production.

They tested the crud out of it, at one point shooting 30,000 rounds through a test model. Magazine after magazine until they shot all 30,000 rounds at their private range in Springfield.

yep any manufactured item is going to eventually run into marginal diminishing returns, that is - producing an item with 99.99% reliability would be likely 10x more expensive then producing them with 99.0% reliability, made up numbers but you get the point. Its cheaper to fix or replace the broken ones than to make them all perfect. People ask why hasn't there been a recall and its simply because not every early DT* has had issues.

 

[jsimmons]

They let me hold it...

See, that's how they get ya.

 

[jsimmons]

I guess I got lucky on mine. I traded a CZ-452 Style for a NIB M&P15-22 (Serial prefix DUA). I took it to the range last weekend, and put 265 rounds through it without a problem.

I also have a M&P15, and it's also been flawless. Based on my experience so far, I can't say that S&W is habitually selling poorly-designed weapons. Granted, they appear to have kinda screwed the pooch on this 15-22 thing, but from what I've seen, they're making it right in pretty much every case. I say give them a chance to do the right thing, have them fix the rifle, and if you still don't trust it, sell it or trade it off for something you're more comfortable with.

If you REALLY want an AR platform chambered for .22LR, and you don't want to take a chance on a Smith or Colt, consider building your own. Complete uppers and conversion kits are available, and the lowers are pretty much identical, regardless of caliber.

Until I get to 1000 rounds, I'm going to be admittedly wary of my 15-22, but I'm still gonna go out and use the hell out of it. I'm even considering adding a free-float hand guard.

 

[Tommytom83]

I guess I got lucky on mine. I traded a CZ-452 Style for a NIB M&P15-22 (Serial prefix DUA). I took it to the range last weekend, and put 265 rounds through it without a problem.

I also have a M&P15, and it's also been flawless. Based on my experience so far, I can't say that S&W is habitually selling poorly-designed weapons. Granted, they appear to have kinda screwed the pooch on this 15-22 thing, but from what I've seen, they're making it right in pretty much every case. I say give them a chance to do the right thing, have them fix the rifle, and if you still don't trust it, sell it or trade it off for something you're more comfortable with.

If you REALLY want an AR platform chambered for .22LR, and you don't want to take a chance on a Smith or Colt, consider building your own. Complete uppers and conversion kits are available, and the lowers are pretty much identical, regardless of caliber.

Until I get to 1000 rounds, I'm going to be admittedly wary of my 15-22, but I'm still gonna go out and use the hell out of it. I'm even considering adding a free-float hand guard.

isn't the DUA serial preferable because they have blue springs?

 

[DownRange&Upwind]

isn't the DUA serial preferable because they have blue springs?

Yes, the DU serials are the newest ones as of now. The DUU are the current letterings for most recent in that series.

 

[kd4gij]

Hi I have a DUA with 1500 rounds through it.200 CCI mini mags first then a mix of Fed bulk, CCI mini mags,CCI stingers. Not one issue.Lots of rappid fire also. Lot of fun to shoot

 

[Slider_]

I'm curious how many of you with failures also failed to inspect for proper function and actually cleaned and lubed your 15-22 before taking the first shot. When I got my DUR(blue springs), I stripped the whole thing and found a massive amount of sticky lube and metal shavings in the upper and lower. Cleaned it, polished the trigger, and lubed everything. Then made sure it was all functioning properly and smoothly. Cycled the trigger group a few hundred times. Also removed the upper and made sure the ejector was in the correct position and the the bolt would lock closed. Even completely removed the upper and chambered a round(muzzle in a safe direction) just to check for proper battery and ejection.

The one thing I did notice was that the bolt wouldn't fully close if it wasn't snapped shut by hitting the bolt release. If you were to release the bolt slowly, it would leave about a 1/16" gap. Took a look at the bolt and it looked like the arm on the side of it that held the bolt closed had a super stiff spring that needed to be overcome by forward momentum in order to lock the bolt. I could see this being a potential problem for an OOB if the upper was dirty and the bolt wasn't able to cycle smoothly. Maybe polishing the arm a little would help.

I realize there probably isn't much anyone can do to prevent the feed ramp from sheering off, but cleaning and lubing your 15-22 is probably the best thing anyone can do to minimize malfunctions. Also using ammo that the rifle likes...