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Did not know that. Sometimes it's hard to discern who is experienced from those who are not .. the 'net being what it is. Hope you resolve the issue asap.
M&P Shield 9 Shooting Way Low Left
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Did not know that. Sometimes it's hard to discern who is experienced from those who are not .. the 'net being what it is. Hope you resolve the issue asap.
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setxwarrior
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Thanks to all for the comments and suggestions.
I'm stuck on the fence now about making any changes to the weapon, as my preference is that if I do send it back, I want it to be exactly as it left the factory.
I will be trying several of the suggestions given before I do the DCAEK.
The heart of my concern is this will be my CCW, and if I ever need it I don't want to have to remember all of the sight picture adjustments needed for a given distance, and if it is truly that far off my concern is where a missed round could end up. Imagine a stress situation where we train for center mass, the bad guy is @ 10 yds and he ends up with a hole in his front right pocket.
I have plenty of other weapons to use to make pretty little groups of holes in paper with!
I love this firearm!
I'm stuck on the fence now about making any changes to the weapon, as my preference is that if I do send it back, I want it to be exactly as it left the factory.
I will be trying several of the suggestions given before I do the DCAEK.
The heart of my concern is this will be my CCW, and if I ever need it I don't want to have to remember all of the sight picture adjustments needed for a given distance, and if it is truly that far off my concern is where a missed round could end up. Imagine a stress situation where we train for center mass, the bad guy is @ 10 yds and he ends up with a hole in his front right pocket.
I have plenty of other weapons to use to make pretty little groups of holes in paper with!
I love this firearm!
M_E_
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As a pistol instructor, I see this with all sorts of the new "thin" pistols. You are a right hand shooter. Hold your hand out in front of you. Make a fist. Squeeze the fist. Notice how your hand twists to the left and drops down. It is NORMAL hand mechanics. When you manipulate the trigger, you are thinking "squeeze". DO NOT SQUEEZE ANYTHING. Think "PRESS" as in pressing a button. Dry fire the gun 1K times using a press utill you no longer see your sight picture change or move. Since the gun is so thin, you are not used to a slim grip. You may have to get a better, more stable grip on the pistol. You may want to try a Hogue Handall Jr. slip on sleeve grip to help you out until you learn a true trigger press.
I have a had a Walther PPS for 3 years now. I had the same issue when I first got it. Practice with it made me a better shooter - and instructor.
I have a had a Walther PPS for 3 years now. I had the same issue when I first got it. Practice with it made me a better shooter - and instructor.
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Update. I installed a full DCAEK yesterday, and while the feel of the action was not dramatically different (good thing), the amount of trigger upset went from significant to ZERO! Literally non-existent.
Still waiting on sights.
I hope to get this and my new 1911 to the range to try them out. Will post results.
Still waiting on sights.
I hope to get this and my new 1911 to the range to try them out. Will post results.
Moonman
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When teaching I too use the term "PRESS" the trigger as the dated method of saying "SQUEEZE" the trigger causes ones brain to squeeze the grip of the firearm TIGHTER. "PRESS works better for my students practicing trigger control.
The amount of FINGER PLACED UPON THE TRIGGER CAN VARY THE IMPACT AREA.
The amount of FINGER PLACED UPON THE TRIGGER CAN VARY THE IMPACT AREA.
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Agreed, I have the same issue with my 40c and I know it's me. Shooting with finger pad will do it for sure, I know that.
I find myself shooting my Shield low and to the right (I'm left-handed). It is definitely me. I let my wife shoot it (BIG mistake) and she shoots dead on target. She REALLY likes the gun; I think I may end up buying a second one.
I'm from Beaumont too. I'm about to buy a M&P 9FS as well. What range do you go to?
Btw. I wouldn't use the pressing the trigger with your joint method just to compensate. Use the pad of the finger always.
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Cool! Lonestar in Lumberton, can't recommend them enough. I'll be there today trying out the shield with the DCAEK. They have a M&P 40fs in the rental cabinet it you want to test drive a M&P FS, or can meet me there and you're more than welcome to test drive my 9fs and the shield.
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Same thing was happening to me. I wanted to blame the gun but had a buddy shoot it. He was dead on.
In short, I can't blame the gun
In short, I can't blame the gun
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Had much better results with the Shield with the DCAEK, it is definitely me pulling the shots now, some dead on with some fliers low left, which is now consistent on all my weapons. I'm over thinking it now. I had my son shoot it and both he was good out to 15yds.
I tried each of the suggestions, thanks to all.
Now every time I get a sight picture I think "don't shoot low left, don't shoot low left", so naturally I shoot low left. Great.
I tried each of the suggestions, thanks to all.
Now every time I get a sight picture I think "don't shoot low left, don't shoot low left", so naturally I shoot low left. Great.
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For me I think it really is griping too tight and using the pads of my finger. I've been working a lot lately on my hold and I've seen a lot of improvement firing with the knuckle and loosing my grip. I've also been placing my left index finger extended below the slide and using it the help guide and steady the pistol. This also seems to serve to push it back to the right a bit and correct the natural move to the left.
Not sure if this is right or not as I'm no professional but it seems to help...
Not sure if this is right or not as I'm no professional but it seems to help...
My 1'st range session with my Shield was yesterday and it was shooting to the left. A couple friends shot it and they too shot to the left. Easy fix, I just drifted the front sight to the left and now it's dead on, problem solved.
I just picked mine up this morning and put 100 through it.
Being used to single stacks with long DAO triggers, shooting this was a breeze and POA/POI was right on.
I used to shoot Low-Left with DAOs and had to learn to 'isolate' my trigger finger. Someone pointed out that as I squeezed the trigger, I was also squeezing (milking) the grip, which forced the pistol down & left. Once I got used to isolating my trigger finger and Pressing just the trigger instead of letting my whole hand squeeze. The Low-Left disappeared.
If the problem is indeed Pilot Error and not a sight issue...
One way to verify muzzle movement is Snap-Cap/Dry Fire practice standing only a couple inches from the wall and watching the muzzle move away from the point on the wall you're aiming at.
I'm not into Lasers on a CC pistol, but lasers are great training aids when it comes to Snap-Cap/Dry Fire practice. Taping a cheap laser to the pistol and watching it dance during snap-cap trigger press practice will expose any unintentional movement.
Being used to single stacks with long DAO triggers, shooting this was a breeze and POA/POI was right on.
I used to shoot Low-Left with DAOs and had to learn to 'isolate' my trigger finger. Someone pointed out that as I squeezed the trigger, I was also squeezing (milking) the grip, which forced the pistol down & left. Once I got used to isolating my trigger finger and Pressing just the trigger instead of letting my whole hand squeeze. The Low-Left disappeared.
If the problem is indeed Pilot Error
and not a sight issue...One way to verify muzzle movement is Snap-Cap/Dry Fire practice standing only a couple inches from the wall and watching the muzzle move away from the point on the wall you're aiming at.
I'm not into Lasers on a CC pistol, but lasers are great training aids when it comes to Snap-Cap/Dry Fire practice. Taping a cheap laser to the pistol and watching it dance during snap-cap trigger press practice will expose any unintentional movement.
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mlapaglia
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Let us know in 300 rounds if its now shooting to the right. I had my shield and it was to the left for me and my son and the range master. None of us had ever shot a Shield. I did a lot of dry firing to learn how to keep the gun steady and not move when I pulled the trigger. Ran about 300 rounds through it for practice and it now shoots dead on. It was me not the gun. If it wasnt the gun you can always move the sites back. I was low and left first time I shot a glock 19 too.
either way you can always set it back you need to. It could have been off but the standard reason for low left is new gun. Good luck
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I'm going back to the range Monday and I'll see if it's still dead on or shooting right. A friend who owns a local shop invested in a universal sight pusher which makes drifting the sight easy and very precise. I didn't move it a lot maybe 1 millimeter, the elevation is perfect with everything I shot through it.
Titegroups
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Yep. Little hard recoiling guns are great for developing a flinch. I bet a lot of those 40's have the same problem.
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