Man blows up house reloading

[dmar]

I believe it was Colonel Mustard, in the parlor, with an acetylene tank...

 

[SMSgt]

Everybody seems to be overlooking the fact that this was in a confined space. A room. Like a shell casing. A spark or whatever acted as the primer. Yes, the smokeless powder is "slow burning". However, if it doesn't "explode", then why the loud report when you fire the gun? The "bang" comes from somewhere. The powder is compacted into a cylinder, which has a primer, with a bullet that is pressed into the shell in such a way as to provide a tight seal. The firing pin strikes the primer, which ignites the powder. The resulting gasses from the burning powder build enough pressure to "push", or propel the bullet out of the casing. The resulting release of all that pressure results in the loud report, or "bang", or "explosion".

I had no idea...

 

[Nick B]

I load 45-90 with black powder. That explosion didn't happen from loading black powder cartridges. Stop spreading nonsense.

 

[Muss Muggins]

Nobody knows what caused this. But it's fun watching people post unrealistic scenarios . . .

 

[Rogeronimo]

We'll never know because we aren't supposed to know. Quite possibly a false flag event centered on an otherwise safe activity. There, I said it.

 

[Greyman50]

Plain to see who knows Hatcher and who dosen't.

 

[Imissedagain]

Win a cookie!
What do you think happens when you take a pound of 3031 and roll it tightly in several layers of newspaper, with a fuse, and light it up?

 

[Nick B]

Win a cookie!
What do you think happens when you take a pound of 3031 and roll it tightly in several layers of newspaper, with a fuse, and light it up?

A waste of a good pound of 3031 .

 

[raljr1]

Maybe he is saying it was smokeless powder so his insurance company doesn't deny the claim since he failed to disclose black powder in his home.

 

[mtgianni]

Win a cookie!
What do you think happens when you take a pound of 3031 and roll it tightly in several layers of newspaper, with a fuse, and light it up?

Keeping it in the original metal can?
It gets hot, the can splits, some energy is converted to gas and the paper already ignited and burning from the fuse, continues to ash at a slightly faster rate.

 

[Imissedagain]

Keeping it in the original metal can?
It gets hot, the can splits, some energy is converted to gas and the paper already ignited and burning from the fuse, continues to ash at a slightly faster rate.

Powder only was rolled in the newspaper.

Your Honor, I was just following the orders of the Cops that lived on the block...... July 4th fun in the late '70s.

 

[mtgianni]

Everybody seems to be overlooking the fact that this was in a confined space. A room. Like a shell casing. A spark or whatever acted as the primer. Yes, the smokeless powder is "slow burning". However, if it doesn't "explode", then why the loud report when you fire the gun? The "bang" comes from somewhere. The powder is compacted into a cylinder, which has a primer, with a bullet that is pressed into the shell in such a way as to provide a tight seal. The firing pin strikes the primer, which ignites the powder. The resulting gasses from the burning powder build enough pressure to "push", or propel the bullet out of the casing. The resulting release of all that pressure results in the loud report, or "bang", or "explosion". So, the more powder you have, the more energy being released from that ignited powder, the more pressure buildup within a confined space that has to be released somewhere. The roof, doors, windows etc all become the "bullets". No conspiracies. No hidden motives. Simple physics. Simple science.

One of the definitions of a confined space is no easy entrance or egress. If it was a confined space, and we compare it to a low pressure pistol cartridge that means the bottom of an eight foot tall room was covered in about 2"-6" of gunpowder.

 

[Golphin]

One of the definitions of a confined space is no easy entrance or egress. If it was a confined space, and we compare it to a low pressure pistol cartridge that means the bottom of an eight foot tall room was covered in about 2"-6" of gunpowder.

That does not work as you would need something crimped into the top of the room and then stick the room into a metal box forming some kind of chamber. The entire theory is ridiculous. Again he stated 6 pounds of powder.

 

[SMSgt]

Six pounds of powder is nothing. Based on that, my house would be a munitions storage facility.

 

[gwpercle]

Let's read the State Fire Marshall's Report ... those boy's can tell you exactly what happened ! They Good at Investigating fires .
Gary

 

[riverrat38]

Let's read the State Fire Marshall's Report ... those boy's can tell you exactly what happened ! They Good at Investigating fires .
Gary

Per post 14, the investigation has been done, and concluded that it was reloading.

73,
Rick

 

[Golphin]

Per post 14, the investigation has been done, and concluded that it was reloading.

73,
Rick

The article posted here and the other place I saw it did NOT say it was reloading. The owner said he was reloading and had 6 lbs of powder. They said the investigators said they found no crime they did NOT say what caused the damage.

 

[riverrat38]

The article posted here and the other place I saw it did NOT say it was reloading. The owner said he was reloading and had 6 lbs of powder. They said the investigators said they found no crime they did NOT say what caused the damage.

Again from post 14:

"The news reported that investigators already made the determination that it was a result of the reloading activity and the smokeless powder. There is nothing shown that contradicts this conclusion."

Sure looks like it said reloading.

73,
Rick

 

[Jon651]

Ok everybody, let's put "closed" to this story because we are all just beating a dead horse here.

This is the EXACT quote listed in the news story from Post #1 in this thread:

"HCFR says the man told crews he was reloading "small arms ammunition" inside his home when the explosion happened. He added that there were about six pounds of smokeless powder in the house, as well.

Authorities say no evidence that has been recovered points toward any criminal charges."

Here's a quote from another news source: "HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, Fla. (WFLA) – An explosion that destroyed a Hillsborough County home and left two people injured was apparently caused by a man reloading ammunition in his home."

Here are a few answers to some questions that have been asked in this thread:

• Does the story specifically state that the smokeless powder blew up? No.
  
• Is there any indication, either in the story or by the damage /aftermath shown in the pictures that it was a gas leak or anything of that nature? No. Local TV news specifically reports that both neighbors and firefighters never saw any fire or smelled any gas. I've attached a photo that shows NO fire damage, NO smoke/soot, and NO water runoff from either gas vapor suppression or fire suppression activity by the FD.
  
• Does the evidence point to any illegal activity? No. As for a meth lab, I guarantee that the cops would be crowing about it if they found ANY evidence whatsoever.
  
• Is there anything (statement, evidence, witnesses, photos, etc.) that indicate anything other than reloading was going on at the time? Sorry, but No. Honestly, if they didn't suspect that the reloading was the cause then they wouldn't have requested the ATF to assist in the investigation.

As my dad used to tell me - "If you hear hoofbeats, don't think ZEBRAS!"

 

[BC38]

Ok everybody, let's put "closed" to this story because we are all just beating a dead horse here.

This is the EXACT quote listed in the news story from Post #1 in this thread:

"HCFR says the man told crews he was reloading "small arms ammunition" inside his home when the explosion happened. He added that there were about six pounds of smokeless powder in the house, as well.

Authorities say no evidence that has been recovered points toward any criminal charges."

Here's a quote from another news source: "HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, Fla. (WFLA) – An explosion that destroyed a Hillsborough County home and left two people injured was apparently caused by a man reloading ammunition in his home."

Here are a few answers to some questions that have been asked in this thread:

• Does the story specifically state that the smokeless powder blew up? No.
  
• Is there any indication, either in the story or by the damage /aftermath shown in the pictures that it was a gas leak or anything of that nature? No. Local TV news specifically reports that both neighbors and firefighters never saw any fire or smelled any gas. I've attached a photo that shows NO fire damage, NO smoke/soot, and NO water runoff from either gas vapor suppression or fire suppression activity by the FD.
  
• Does the evidence point to any illegal activity? No. As for a meth lab, I guarantee that the cops would be crowing about it if they found ANY evidence whatsoever.
  
• Is there anything (statement, evidence, witnesses, photos, etc.) that indicate anything other than reloading was going on at the time? Sorry, but No. Honestly, if they didn't suspect that the reloading was the cause then they wouldn't have requested the ATF to assist in the investigation.

As my dad used to tell me - "If you hear hoofbeats, don't think ZEBRAS!"

I agree with everything you said.
They did not specifically say that smokeless powder caused the explosion, only that there were 6 pounds of it in the house.
The two questions that still remain unanswered are
1) if the explosion had anything to do with smokeless powder, how do you make smokeless powder create an explosion like that? Unless it is contained in a very sturdy pressure vessel it doesn't explode - it just burns energetically.
2) If it was actually a reloading accident, what was he reloading WITH, because as stated above, it is virtually impossible to create an explosion like that with smokeless powder.
So no matter what anyone thinks, something about this does NOT add up.