Need for a high cap CC pistol?

[Bozz10mm]

I wonder if criminals have this same discussion. "Hey Joe, is 6 rounds enough for a car jacking, or should I take the Glock 17?"

 

[chief38]

Do you really believe Soros calls criminals and tells them to move into rich parts of town? And they say, "Oh, ok Mr Soros, I will call U Haul right now. Good idea." Really?

I would answer your question but this is not the place to get into a political debate.

 

[sipowicz]

I won't delve into the politics of crime but I will say that crime is up in good neighborhoods near me and that was only a matter of time. It doesn't take a genius to finally figure out that there's more to gain sticking someone up in Beverly Hills than Inglewood. These criminals are not moving into these neighborhoods…it just takes a car and a gallon of gas to get there.

 

[Chady734]

I traveled around with a 15 round, that really make me feel safe .

 

[Chief Wiggums]

the argument of bottom feeder vs wheel gun is the new 9 vs 45

 

[walkin' trails]

A one gun for every situation has not been built yet!!

I wholeheartedly agree!

I absolutely agree with the concept of keeping a full size pistol with a magazine capacity of over ten rounds as a home defense pistol. There are other places, currently including jewelry outlets where one or more employee should be similarly armed. But I think that most people going about their daily lives are best served with a small, easily concealed pistol. I like my J-frames, but I generally leave the house with a Glock 43X with factory ten round magazine, and a couple of spares. My Js do not say at home because of the capacity but because of the sights. I'm not out looking to go into harm's way anymore, and the 43X with two spare magazines seems to be adequate for most situations save an invasion or getting myself in the middle of an ant*** uprising.

I think most people who are not LE are equally well served with something easily to conceal that they can still shoot accurately. Anyone leaving the house with a pistol with a ten round capacity, an extra magazine, and good training is probably as well equipped to deal with most of the aforementioned criminal activity. Being set upon by a wolf pack is something that could happen, but skills such as situational awareness and avoidance can also help to avoid getting into a situation like that in the first place.

I know that there was a video circulating a year or so ago of a retired police officer or firefighter carrying a five shot in one of our more infamous crime-ridden cities who was beset upon by three attackers on a public street. He defended himself with a five shot, shot it dry, and was shot himself. Distances in that encounter ranged from car length to middle of street. Would he have fared better with something with a 15 shot magazine? I can't say, as there are other variables such as response time, cover, concealment, and overall firearms skills under stress that also come into play.

Those of us who are retired will likely retain the skill of situational awareness for some time to come, sometimes to the aggravations of our significant others. What we need to remember though, is that skill with arms is perishable and we need to continue to train as best we are able to maintain some of our abilities.

 

[ggibson511960]

How Much Is Enough?

To quote the late Jeff Quinn,

"If you go to pokin' holes in 'em they'll generally leave you alone."

Wisdom. He was opining on .22 LR for defensive use.

 

[.455_Hunter]

I know that there was a video circulating a year or so ago of a retired police officer or firefighter carrying a five shot in one of our more infamous crime-ridden cities who was beset upon by three attackers on a public street. He defended himself with a five shot, shot it dry, and was shot himself. Distances in that encounter ranged from car length to middle of street. Would he have fared better with something with a 15 shot magazine? I can't say, as there are other variables such as response time, cover, concealment, and overall firearms skills under stress that also come into play.

Any additional information you could provide that might help to track down this video, or a summary of the event, would be useful.

 

[BC38]

Everyone needs to carry what works for them. I've carried wheelguns and bottom feeders from 380 to 44 mag.
I settled on the P365 as the best of all worlds for me.
Smaller package than any of my wheelguns, including a J-frame. Lighter than anything other than an airweight J-frame too. Fits my hand. I shoot it better than any other carry gun I've ever tried. And 10+1 rounds of potent 9mm SD ammo vs no more than 7 rounds for any carry sized wheelgun, plus the benefit of quick reloads. Not a hard choice for me.

 

[BAM-BAM]

This is one of those no win arguments........

I live in a good area..........
I avoid trouble.......
I grew up with a "Police officer" Dad who generally carried off duty
I've had a cc permit since getting out of law school 44 years ago.
I cc 98% of the time I'm out of the house.......

Short version..................

While walking my 30 lb mini Goldendoodle......I ran into (coming the other way) a confrontational dude in the County Park about 10 days ago. started yelling and swearing at me..... threatened to pepper spray me or my dog. The dude was clearly upset about something in his life!!

Kept looking over my shoulder as I continued to move away.

Was glad I had my 8+1 3913 9mm and a spare mag. that I've carried since 1990


The law of averages say you will never need your gun.
The studies say on average you will only need 3-4 rounds

Sometimes the averages catch up with you ....... and it's comforting to be "better than average"!

Hope and pray for the best ....... prepare for the worst!

The last few walks have included a 6+1 Sig 245 .45acp and two spare mags. Cus sometimes less can be more!

 

[TAROMAN]

I like my S&W 3953 for EDC.

Amen to that. My perfect EDC.

 

[WCCPHD]

SIG P365. Everything you need, nothing you don't.

 

[ladder13]

99%, Doc said, piece of cake, no worry….yeah, whatever. Sucks to be that 1% as my wife found out with cataract surgery. Now needs laser to correct.
Who wants to be that 1%?


I do me. Lighter, smaller, 2x +1 the load, accurate and reliable.

 

[sigp220.45]

They coulda stopped in 1908.

 

[kbm6893]

If I didn't already have an LC9S and a Shield Plus, I'd have a Sig 365 with a manual safety. It really seems to be the best overall package for a carry gun. But I'm not gonna take a loss on 2 guns to buy one that is only slightly smaller.

The 640 and the Bodyguard.380 fill a different role. The .380 slips into a pocket and is in invisible and feels like it's not even there. The 640 is great for jacket pocket and can be fired through the pocket if need be.

But it's hard to argue against the 365 or maybe the Hellcat for a concealed carry piece. I love my Shield Plus but it's slightly bigger and heavier. The LC9S is virtually the same size and weight as the 365 but holds three less rounds.

 

[sipowicz]

I know the Shield and P365 are excellent carry guns but for some reason I only like small revolvers, not small autos. When I feel like toting an auto with more rounds it's my trusty P2000 LEM which works pretty much like a high capacity revolver. I'm not a big guy by any means but it's pretty easy to conceal and it's slightly larger size is more comforting to me over a micro 9. In the immortal words of Gary Coleman, Different strokes.

 

[mikerjf]

I know the auto's carry more and reload faster, but I'm more being swayed by the "less recoil for the same power".

 

[BE Mike]

I've never needed a fire extinguisher in any home I owned. In a former life, I was a pilot. I always had more than enough fuel when I landed. I always returned home with the same amount of ammo that I started the day with, but by having it it has prevented the escalation of many situations. It's a free country. Do what you want, but don't push your ideas onto me.

 

[Johnnu2]

One round into the head of the pack usually works in convincing the others to go home early. No need to wait to determine their intent; time is of the essence. Hence, 5 should be more than sufficient in most cases.

J.

 

[BAM-BAM]

One round into the head of the pack usually works in convincing the others to go home early. No need to wait to determine their intent; time is of the essence. Hence, 5 should be more than sufficient in most cases.

J.

You lost me at "should be" and "most cases."