New Jersey Pending/Passed Legislation HEARING in Trenton 2/28/18

[Steve K]

Yes, LEOSA does allow for the carrying of hollow point ammo in NJ. However, not all LEOs know the law or respect out of state LEOs. When I visit the Garden State I carry Critical Defense ammo.

 

[345sire]

To me (and I am not giving legal advice) it looks like A655 is changing the definition of Large Capacity Ammunition Magazine" from "More than 15" to "More than 5".



As such, 7 round 1911 magazines would be prohibited, but I do not see why a 1911 with no magazine would be prohibited, and at least some 5 round 1911 magazines are advertised. WILSON COMBAT 1911 45ACP HEAVY DUTY +P MAGAZINES | Brownells

One or two exceptions to the round capacity of magazines like the 1911 doesn't change the fact that Murphy's plan is to make handguns illegal in NJ. If a vertical grip becomes illegal, will it mean a grip that's exactly 90 degrees from the barrel, or are we destined to see MOST grips being banned? Just how vertical is vertical? (Carpenters see things a certain way(me), other folks see something else.)
I suspect Murphy is going to be the single biggest motivator to the exodus people in this state. More than taxes, more than weather. Etc.etc.

 

[Tom S.]

the NRA is a no show in new york, new jersey, california, connecticut, maryland,, etc.

That statement is patently NOT true. If you kept appraised of the situations in those states, you would know. In any war, you have to fight the battles you either know you can win, or at least have a chance of winning. Unfortunately, in those states, the voters themselves are the enemy, and turn out in numbers that hard or, in many cases, impossible to beat. Nevertheless, the NRA has still been active in those states challenging the legality of some of their insane laws. Even then though, you must be careful which law you challenge, as a win against you could have disastrous effects elsewhere. Look at the win in DC, whose laws were on a par with NY. And National Reciprocity if enabled will have a huge effect on those states: imagine trying to explain to your constituents that you're honoring someone's concealed permit from Idaho but not going to issue one to them.

If you really believe the NRA hasn't been active in those states, you haven't been paying attention.

 

[bushmaster1313]

PLEASE--keep this thread INFORMATIONAL

Hearing in Trenton this morning 2/28

From what I see, A655 (5 round magazine limit) is not on the table, but A2671 (10 round limit) is.
I have no doubt that the 10 round limit will be imposed in the near future with no grandfathering

This does not impact me directly (as I have no magazines over 10 rounds), but it will make it difficult and expensive for those who presently have 11-15 round magazines. Liquidating the 11-15 round magazines will likely be at a substantial loss and it may be difficult, if not impossible, to acquire 10 round magazines for certain firearms.

If this passes, I would not rely on it being ruled unconstitutional
I would not rely on putting 2 empty cases into a 12 round magazine to simulate a 10 round magazine.
I also do not know if The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) applies to magazines for out of state LEO's in NJ, and even if it does you would still be in for a world of hurt.

The only silver lining is that 6-10 round magazines will be allowed and it appears that guns with tubular .22 magazines will be exempt.

PLEASE--keep this thread INFORMATIONAL

 

[HeyJoe]

LEOSA would not apply to magazine capacity restrictions only to ammunition.

 

[345sire]

Most of your statement is true, I think, but the silver lining is very thin in this case. I'm no expert, but if I recall correctly, virtually every double stack magazine is higher than 10 rounds. I am not at all sure, but I don't think there are 10-or-less-round options for most of these. Meaning the likely only option might be to permanently modify the mag to hold 10 or less. IF they even give us this option rather than ban them outright.
I repeat, I'm no authority, just a gunpowder fan.

 

[bushmaster1313]

Most of your statement is true, I think, but the silver lining is very thin in this case. I'm no expert, but if I recall correctly, virtually every double stack magazine is higher than 10 rounds.

I think you are probably correct. That is why many with standard magazines will need to dispose of them, most likely at a loss, and certainly at an inconvenience.

I would be curious which common semi-auto handguns do not have available 10 round magazines.

Note, as there is defacto no CCW in New Jersey many handgun owners in New Jersey have full size handguns, which most likely came from the factory with magazines holding more than 10 rounds. The exception is the old standard 1911, which come with magazines that only hold 7 rounds.

 

[345sire]

Common semi-auto is exactly the point, how common is common?
Sure, there are a decent amount, but nowhere near the count of larger capacity ones. Half of what I have wouldn't qualify, and I'm a user, not a collector.

 

[rtquig]

Most of your statement is true, I think, but the silver lining is very thin in this case. I'm no expert, but if I recall correctly, virtually every double stack magazine is higher than 10 rounds. I am not at all sure, but I don't think there are 10-or-less-round options for most of these. Meaning the likely only option might be to permanently modify the mag to hold 10 or less. IF they even give us this option rather than ban them outright.
I repeat, I'm no authority, just a gunpowder fan.

I still have 10 round magazines from the ban in the 90's. Hopefully the new ban will be overturned.