New Model 29 - is canted barrel "normal"

I don't have any experience, other than I e-mailed them about my gun and they sent a response saying they'd cover the shipping cost. Most other companies need their arm twisted to do this, if they do it at all *cough* Sig *cough*
 
Canted Barrel

My 686 plus is 3 months old i just noticed this yesterday,not sure if this is what you mean(see pic)
 

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I'm no expert, but I do own 7 S&W revolvers, none have canted sights.
I just wouldn't be happy with crooked sights no matter how good the
gun shot.
 
I recently purchased a used model 629-4 with the power port, and after I shot it, I noticed that the front sight was canted to the left.

The gun had the ramp front sight installed instead of the patridge sight that was originally on the gun. I think if it had the patridge sight I would have noticed it at the time of purchase. It's possible that the original owner replaced the front sight to minimize the appearance of the canted front sight.

I called S&W and was told there is an acceptable tolerance in degrees of how much they will allow the barrel to be canted. The gun performs flawlessly, however, the front sight leaning to the left is very annoying.

My intention is to take it to a local gunsmith who specializes in S&W revolvers and see if he can fix it, and if not, I intend to send it to the factory and ask them to correct the problem. Whether they will do it under warranty is another issue.

I've always had great performance from S&W products and good customer service, however, occasionally these little glitches occur.
 
Back in 2003 I bought a model 29 Mountain gun, and it's barrel was canted to the left. It was bad enough that to sight in at 50 yards, I had to adjust the rear sight all the way to the right. When I called Smith & Wesson and told them, the customer service rep told me handguns weren't designed to shoot that far and my expectations were unrealistic.

I probably could have handled it better, but a few bad words came out and I asked to speak with a supervisor. The supervisor agreed and shipped the gun back. It was returned with a perfectly centered front sight, and it shoots better than any other gun I own now.

The squeaky wheel....
 
Ok..I need to send my gun back,the fact the barrel is not square with the frame just reall bothers me,thats all i see now when i look at it(see previous post for pic)
 
Please bear with me. This is a subject which seems to come up far too frequently in the short time I have been following this forum. I know some of you think it is much ado about nothing, but I strongly disagree.

I get worked up each time I hear one of these crooked barrel tails. It's not a "canted" barrel, or a laterally challenged barrel, or a displaced point of impact seeking barrel, or a barrel in search of hope and change. It's a crooked S&W barrel. For shame. I hope most of the rest of you are unhappy with them, also.

Front Sight 357, the way you should deal with S&W vis a vis the warranty program is fairly and firmly, as you are doing. You paid a relatively high price for a good looking, well engineered, and correctly manufactured revolver. You apparently received one with visible and unacceptable manufacturing flaws. No, it's not "just another silly gun". I am put off by some of the well meaning proxy apologies in this thread, to the effect that a crooked barrel is O.K., if the bullets go approximately where the visibly crooked barrel points, and that there are all sorts of technical reasons why this sometimes happens in the normal and acceptable course of manufacturing, and in certain instances it is "supposed to be that way". Hog wash.

You are doing exactly what you should, sending the gun back. And if necessary, keep sending it back until they get it right, as you define it. That is the only way S&W management will conclude that it is more cost effective to do it right the first time.

We need to be sympathetic and diplomatic in dealing with the S&W warranty people. They do a good job of sorting it out, in my experience. We might get ulcers going to work every day, knowing that our job was cleaning up after assemblers who don't always do theirs.

Yes, I know, nobody's perfect and everybody makes honest mistakes, and the clock is always running. That's what an inspection staff is for.

And the inspectors DO know what "right" is, and how to use gauges and jigs. Require them to do that, not explain why a crooked barrel is good for you.

Please, the rest of you guys. Stop making excuses for quality control failures. No group knows handgun quality better than that work force. Require them to deliver it, when standards start to slip, or lose money on the transaction. My threshold of patience is low, because I've had my share of new Smiths that were not right. And I have been spoiled by dozens of new and old Smiths that are really, really, really right. That's why we are here on this forum of admirers of something special. Some of the flawed ones I've sent back, some I've fixed myself, and some I angrily ignore, if it's minor.

Maybe the old days are gone, and maybe we will not see pre-war S&W quality again, but somebody has to draw a few lines someplace, or that trademark we all love will come to mean little, except stamped on classic collectibles. We can each make a worthwhile mini-contribution by helping to keep Smith straight, when your luck of the draw gets you a less than stellar Smith.

According to some of the implied thinking I've read in this thread, all S&W needs to do is steadily rewrite their specifications so that previously unacceptable product flaws are redefined as being "within specifications", new ones arbitrarily written to fit declining standards of management's own making. What a sad state of affairs; sounds sort of like what somebody is trying to do with our Constitution, doesn't it?

I recently bought a new 649 with a .009" cylinder gap. Specification used to be around .004". Now it's .010", I am told. Performance sacrificing defect? Why no, it's "within specifications"...just new ones. Don't worry, just be happy.

Please, people. Don't let these things pass. Don't wonder what to do. I understand that some of you younger fellows have grown up in this Age of Mediocrity and passivity. You don't always feel the contrast so accutely. But try to help keep S&W an exception, an icon. Forget the whales. Save S&W. Insisting that a new faulty gun be fixed is not being picky or cranky. Call it tough love. If somebody at S&W is not willing to stay on top of quality control, they need encouragement. From you. Over and over and over, until something changes or people are replaced.

I want S&W, the real one, to survive for many more decades, building the best handguns in the world, with or without lawyer locks. The company has been through some difficult times, and was saved in recent years by guys who really put their reputations and resources on the line. Being an overly passive customer is not the way to help keep this business on track.

To see how well silence and passivity works, have a look at "your" government in Washington...trying to rewrite our national spec sheet, that pesky old Constitution, as long as nobody stops them.

And lets not forget, keep buying more S&Ws, so you can continuously monitor their quality control program. I try to do my fair share. :D
 
Ok..I need to send my gun back,the fact the barrel is not square with the frame just reall bothers me,thats all i see now when i look at it(see previous post for pic)

I would demand it and good idea. After I made my first post to your thread I finally got around to checking my barrels out. None were canted. I have zero safe queens except for a prisine Browning HP and all of my S&W's are right on in the accuracy department.

Best of luck and do believe S&W will do you right.
 
Very well said!
I got the the shipping label to this morning,i will package it up tonight,i am going to include a the photo i posted(on high def printer paper)..also they ask me to write down the problem with the gun..any idea's on how i should word this to them?
Thanks.
 
I like the KISS principle. "Barrel is not in PROPER alignment with the frame and is canted to the left when it should be properly aligned. This does not allow for precise adjustments to the adjustable sights. The accuracy suffers from the improper torque applied when the barrel was attached to the frame during assembly at the factory. Your help in this rectifying this discrepency would be appreciated". JM 2 cents.

Best of luck!
 
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Gun was shipped out early evening yesterday,i included the "kiss" style note with picture inserted so they should be very clear of my concern :)
"sportsterguy"very well said,i used it word for word"
Thanks everybody! I will post the outcome as soon as i know!
Sorry if i high jacked this thread.
 
While shopping for a new $800+ (out the door price) 4" 629, I was looking at one of the latest models, the gun had absolutely the very nicest SA trigger I've ever squeezed, but there was a huge gap between the bottom lug and frame, I passed on the gun and decided I have to be able to handle the gun before purchase...I was considering ordering online to save up to $100.00, I figured what the heck it's a Smith they'll all be perfect and if not the factory will take care of it on their dime.

A "canted barrel" or a huge gap, you have to be kidding me, this might be acceptable to some but I'll pass Thank you, and S&W quality just slipped a notch in my opinion.

I'm not an expert or gunsmith, I just want what I paid for and I expect quality and pride of workmanship from Smith and Wesson, otherwise I'd just pick up a Taurus, it makes me wonder what else they over looked in quality control.

I was expecting more out of the new plant in Maine with the new equipment.

I currently own a newer M&P9c and a 442, I have no complaints both are very nice guns, in the past 50 years I've owned a few other Smiths, all were exceptionally nice firearms, this is my expectation of S&W.

Make all the excuses you want, I expect better and would be really upset if the factory doesn't bend over backwards to make it right.

A crooked front site is acceptable? What are you guy's drinking?
 
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I've owned several handguns, mostly Smiths, and none of them, including the fixed sighted, had canted barrels. Curious to me that their employee would have said that to you originally. That simply CANNOT be their standard policy. Glad you're now happy with it.
 
IIRC, the proper term is "clocked".

I've had several example dating back to the late 80's. In each case I sent them back through the gunshop where I bought them.

I've had good and bad experiences but in each case I just said it's clocked, I don't like it, please make it right - I paid too much to accept anything other than a straight barrel.

Now they are all fixed and life is good.

Stick to your guns, S&W will take care of you.

If you shoot lead, ask Vito to run the 11 degree forcing cone die for you, it will shoot lead better, or so it is said.
 
I got to thinking about this post. I have seen a few with canted barrels but they were all 6inch and 8 3/8 barrels. I have never seen a short barrel canted. Not saying it don't happen, just never seen one.
 
Gun was shipped out early evening yesterday,i included the "kiss" style note with picture inserted so they should be very clear of my concern :)
"sportsterguy"very well said,i used it word for word"
Thanks everybody! I will post the outcome as soon as i know!
Sorry if i high jacked this thread.

Good for you. Please let us know if S&W fixed this Discrepency on your revolver. I'd hound them till they made it right.
 
Canted Front Sight

In a previous reply to this thread, I mentioned that I purchased a 629-4 with a 6 1/2 inch barrel with the power port. After shooting it, I noticed that the front sight was leaning to the left as a result of the barrel being turned in too far.

I decided to call Smith & Wesson customer service, and they recommended that I send the gun in for repair.

From the time I sent it to Smith & Wesson, until the time I received it back repaired, was a total of 9 days. They repaired the gun under warrenty. They told me that Smith & Wessons made from 1989 on, have a lifetime warrenty.

I was very impressed with the short amount of time it took for the repair which included the mailing time. A total of 9 days.
 
I noticed that the barrel was canted slightly on a new 442 about 2 years ago. The gun would not shoot to POA. I called the factory. S&W said to send it in. They straightened it out. Shoots to POA now.
 
I've never had a S&W with a canted bbl. That wouldn't wash with me. I'd send that gun back. What in the hell does the person you spoke with think the adjustable sights are for??? This is probably OK for a troubled fixed sight gun, but not for one with adjustables. Stuff like this is exactly why I don't buy current production stuff. I've seen too much bad quality slip by their QC to be just a slip-up. They've lowered their standards. I'll stay with the older stuff.
 
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