Newest 4473!

It the ATF&E agent comes looking to track a particular firearm, it is easier to locate by having the firearms listed first on the forms. As it was, the firearms were listed in the back of the form and the entire 4473 needed to be pulled to see what was transferred. I don't see anything nefarious about the form. It's kind of funny to me. We don't want "bad guys" to get firearms but we also don't want background checks. How do you keep the bad guys from getting firearms if you don't have a screening process?
 
Absalom said:
Sorry guys, but that train has departed, and left those of you who have an issue here behind at the station. Non-binary is a thing.

There are 11 states by now which issue drivers licenses or state ID's with the non-binary gender identification, making that a legal gender.

Forcing folks in that group to chose male or female if they wanted to buy a gun, per the old form, amounted to either expecting them to lie on a federal form or denying them their constitutional right to acquire a gun.

If your social prejudices supercede your commitment to the 2nd Amendment, that's your pleasure, of course.

The ATF Attempts to Deny Non-Binary and Trans Americans Guns | Cato @ Liberty
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It's not a social prejudice to understand there are only two sexes, there are however no end to those that feel the need to try to justify their alternate lifestyles via labeling.
 
Well, I guess the first line in my prior response was easy to interpret as disparaging. 'Tweren't intended to be, seriously.

But, my question still remains. Does anyone understand why they have the dealer enter the item/s info FIRST now, prior to us serfs filling-out our part?

Yes, having met lilly-white anglo Mexican's of Spanish heritage, irish, French, etc.....Hispanic is an ethnicity.
 
VictorLouis said:
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But, my question still remains. Does anyone understand why they have the dealer enter the item/s info FIRST now, prior to us serfs filling-out our part?

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I have no idea what their thinking was, but I like it.

Thinking back to the countless old forms I filled out: After filling out and signing your part, and giving it back to the dealer to complete, did you ever ask for it back afterwards to double-check that they put everything in correctly about the gun? I must confess that was never a habit of mine. With my signature on the paper, maybe it should have been.

Not that it matters much, but in hindsight, who knows how many of my guns are in the paperwork under their assembly numbers ... ;)
 
Golddollar said:
Can I list Klingon for an ethnicity?
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I think we are allowed to "self-identify" these days. All of my reporting forms for the Veterans Administration ask for birth sex and self-identified gender identity, so it must be an approved government thing. They also asked for my full name (last, first, middle), then asked for my preferred name, which I take as a chance for a legal name change without having to go through the court procedure.

On the 4473 forms the question I worry about most is my weight. I hope they never check on that too closely. I'm always wrong when I step on the bathroom scale.
 
I have lost count of the number of misidentified milsurps I have seen in gun dealers, so you know that a good percentage of those ended up being entered incorrectly on a 4473. Having that field on the front gives me the chance to say "you want me to enter that?" while an inexperienced shop person is turning over some weird Mosin variant in his hands and muttering "WTH" to himself.
 
I can't understand why people have a problem figuring out "what they are". M or F should really be enough. I can only imagine what is going through their heads.
 
OK, the reason Section A is where it is and is to be completed by the seller prior to the buyer completing their part is so the buyer can see that the seller isn't adding guns to the form that instead might be going who knows where.
My opinion is more like, easy way to total gun registration.
 
Absalom said:
,,,did you ever ask for it back afterwards to double-check that they put everything in correctly about the gun? I must confess that was never a habit of mine. With my signature on the paper, maybe it should have been.
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Oh, I take that a step further, and draw diagonal hash-marks across the empty spaces below where they entered my gun. Many a nefarious gun transaction has been known to have gone-out-the-door on some other poor schmuck's 4473.

Most recently, my receiving FFL actually wrote
down Hi-POINT, rather than Hi-POWER.....LOL.
Yeah, I made sure he corrected THAT one.
 
Have to wonder how answers to question 14 correlate with answers to question 21 F?
 
J. R. WEEMS said:
Last one I filled out was done electronically on a tablet. :rolleyes:
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Cabelas does this also. All the info is stored at store level (AFAIK) which is supposed to remain as a file on their system. I've had an employee use my name only ( I never fill out SS#) and pull up every gun I bought there since the store opened about 12-14 years ago. This means any agency like the AT&F can call Cabelas or us their electronic skeleton key and have them open the network faucet so they can access any 4473 record instantly they want unless I'm mistaken.
I remember ordering guns from Field and Stream.
 
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