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M669 has a stainless slide, but still has an alloy frame, just anodized in a lighter color.
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M669 has a stainless slide, but still has an alloy frame, just anodized in a lighter color.
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Does NJ consider JSPs hollow points?
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Actually, shot placement is king, jeeps.
But adequate penetration (which is queen) is a little tricky with 9mm ball - you get too much.
The OP might want to take a look at this write-up and YouTube - I'm not a fad ammo guy, but I found this pretty interesting:
Ammo Quest: Polycase ARX Inceptor in .380 ACP and 9mm - The Truth About Guns
Note that he found this a better choice against human attackers in 9mm than Lehigh.
speaking of....
July Guns&Ammo just arrived today. Lengthy article on Inceptor ammo including gel tests for .380, 9, 40, 45.
Thinking of buying some for my XDs 45.
Anyone here got experience with it?
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Erich
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Actually, I do! 
I thought the review of the .380s that Shooting the Bull did a while back was pretty intriguing (the stuff goes to 12" but does not overpenetrate and does make a bigger wound cavity than ball), so I bought some for my 1934 Beretta.
www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/shootingthebull410/ammo-quest-polycase-arx-inceptor-in-380-acp-and-9mm/
I found the Polycase Inceptor ARX 56-gr polymer/copper screwtop stuff was actually fairly accurate - about the most accurate of the stuff I shot from this gun. Furthermore, it had virtually no recoil (of course), ejected and operated fine, and gave good velocities and straight-on hits.
First group (of five, benched at 10 yards):
M 1174/S 64.89/D 27.53
Second group:
M 1187/S 101.9.D 36.72
Check out the three lobes of the bullets, clearly visible in the impacts on the target:
Given the results with this stuff in gelatin, I'm going to switch from FMJ (which could certainly overpenetrate) to the Polycase Inceptor ARX 56-gr for carry in the 1934. I need to run it through my LCP and the BDA before I commit there.
I thought the review of the .380s that Shooting the Bull did a while back was pretty intriguing (the stuff goes to 12" but does not overpenetrate and does make a bigger wound cavity than ball), so I bought some for my 1934 Beretta.
www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/shootingthebull410/ammo-quest-polycase-arx-inceptor-in-380-acp-and-9mm/
I found the Polycase Inceptor ARX 56-gr polymer/copper screwtop stuff was actually fairly accurate - about the most accurate of the stuff I shot from this gun. Furthermore, it had virtually no recoil (of course), ejected and operated fine, and gave good velocities and straight-on hits.
First group (of five, benched at 10 yards):
M 1174/S 64.89/D 27.53
Second group:
M 1187/S 101.9.D 36.72
Check out the three lobes of the bullets, clearly visible in the impacts on the target:
Given the results with this stuff in gelatin, I'm going to switch from FMJ (which could certainly overpenetrate) to the Polycase Inceptor ARX 56-gr for carry in the 1934. I need to run it through my LCP and the BDA before I commit there.
transit
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Not sure if this has been yet clarified.
As of 10/12/10 LEOSA makes the carry of hollow point ammunition by retired officers acceptable. This is a non-issue.
As of 10/12/10 LEOSA makes the carry of hollow point ammunition by retired officers acceptable. This is a non-issue.
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Will give you over 1025 fps from your 2" barrel and is safe for a J in good condition. You won't get any expansion but it WILL give you LOTS of shocking power and penetration.
I don't get it that they STILL don't thing Hollow Point ammo is actually safer for use because of the fact that it won't exit the body cavity as do many NON Hollow Points.
Will give you over 1025 fps from your 2" barrel and is safe for a J in good condition. You won't get any expansion but it WILL give you LOTS of shocking power and penetration.
I don't get it that they STILL don't thing Hollow Point ammo is actually safer for use because of the fact that it won't exit the body cavity as do many NON Hollow Points.
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JimC
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Not according to the NJSP firearms unit. They do NOT, will NOT recognize the 2010 revision to LEOSA.
The Sgt. that I spoke with on the phone a couple of years back about this very topic arrogantly asked me if I wanted to be the test case the next time I traveled to NJ?
It seems to be a dead issue in NJ with the PBA or the FOP...they won't fight it or even touch it!!!
I carry Critical Duty in either 9 mm or .40 S&W when we go back to NJ to visit.
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gregintenn
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Do they pull you over there and inspect your ammo? How is this enforced?
transit
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Not according to the NJSP firearms unit. They do NOT, will NOT recognize the 2010 revision to LEOSA.
The Sgt. that I spoke with on the phone a couple of years back about this very topic arrogantly asked me if I wanted to be the test case the next time I traveled to NJ?
It seems to be a dead issue in NJ with the PBA or the FOP...they won't fight it or even touch it!!!
I carry Critical Duty in either 9 mm or .40 S&W when we go back to NJ to visit.
Not sure what that means. The law doesn't require anyone to "recognize" it. Go ahead and violate it. See what happens.
I absolutely believe that you spoke to an arrogant guy, but that's a far cry from a trooper making an explicitly enumerated unlawful arrest.
Sure, I'll be the test case. -Could be, every time I cross a westbound bridge. Happens all the time.
I'd be impolite and answer the Sergeant's question with another question: does he want to be the one who orders an explicitly unlawful arrest, especially after a statement like that, which opens the door wide to a 1983 suit?
Every member of the SPNJ with whom I have ever dealt (-and there have been many) was a stone-cold professional, justifiably proud of their outfit and of themselves.
I have no concerns regarding the integrity of a road trooper from the state of New Jersey.
The law on this is settled.
Carry what you're comfortable with...
He does not have the option to "recognize" it, Obviously ignorant of the law or purely someone who needs to be knocked down a few pegs. His opinion is what is found in a toilet. Carry what you feel safe with. Be Safe,
oh heck..I got stopped by a NJ SP once for having a gun rack in my rear window...An empty gun rack. Luckily we were close to his base of ops and we had a discussion with his Sgt. Didn't go real well for him. Heck even being in Md that was legal...at the time.
Actually, I do!
I thought the review of the .380s that Shooting the Bull did a while back was pretty intriguing (the stuff goes to 12" but does not overpenetrate and does make a bigger wound cavity than ball), so I bought some for my 1934 Beretta.
www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/shootingthebull410/ammo-quest-polycase-arx-inceptor-in-380-acp-and-9mm/
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I found the Polycase Inceptor ARX 56-gr polymer/copper screwtop stuff was actually fairly accurate - about the most accurate of the stuff I shot from this gun. Furthermore, it had virtually no recoil (of course), ejected and operated fine, and gave good velocities and straight-on hits.
First group (of five, benched at 10 yards):
M 1174/S 64.89/D 27.53
Second group:
M 1187/S 101.9.D 36.72
Check out the three lobes of the bullets, clearly visible in the impacts on the target:
Given the results with this stuff in gelatin, I'm going to switch from FMJ (which could certainly overpenetrate) to the Polycase Inceptor ARX 56-gr for carry in the 1934. I need to run it through my LCP and the BDA before I commit there.
My experience with the .380 ARX ammo is not pleasant as the pictures will tell. Lots of poly residue from bullets. The ammo left splinters of the Poly bullet all inside the frame and on/in the barrel. Notice the splinters that fell out onto the white paper when I took the pistol apart for cleaning.
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elm_creek_smith
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Use your S&W M669 that you own and have carried.
Use 9mm FMJ that are legal where you live.
Go to the firing range often and concentrate on facial and crotch shots.
Use 9mm FMJ that are legal where you live.
Go to the firing range often and concentrate on facial and crotch shots.
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I wonder if the OP will come back to check on this since the thread started about a year and nine months ago?
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Sell it.......
Use the money to build a vacation home in any number of 'decent' American states. And where ever you go fight stupid gun laws.
Use the money to build a vacation home in any number of 'decent' American states. And where ever you go fight stupid gun laws.
Retiring? Head west my friend. Just across the river is the friendly place formerly known as Penn's Woods. You can carry anything you like just about anywhere you like loaded with whatever you like, and machineguns are legal to own as well!! Why bother with worrying about living in a state governed by idiot and policed by guys who wear hats like stormtroopers (hope you were not NJSP). Washington crossed the Delaware almost 250 years ago with no problems, no reason you can't come across heading the other way now.
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Make good shots and don't worry about what kind of ammo it is.
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