No Hollow Points

[jag312]

I will never have to worry about what I might bring to New Jersey, because I would rather beat on my toes with a ball peen hammer than ever go to New Jersey. I have some relatives living in New Jersey. That is their problem. If they ever want to see me, they'll have to come to Nevada.

But to get back to the question at hand; soft points, hollow points, FMJ, who cares. Just carry a .44 Special in a revolver or a .45 ACP in a pistol.

 

[TAC]

I knew a guy who used unjacketed lead HP's, and used a silver, or gray wax crayon, to fill the hollow cavity, disguising them quite well.

 

[mrchuck]

Sometimes I carry my 45 auto made by "FATBOY".
Made in Argentina by ATI.
It is a snub nosed(3"bbl) 45 auto that has a 12 round magazine, plus 1 round in the chamber giving you 13 shots.
It's only defect is it is heavy! 45 ammo is heavy.
Recoil is normal, equal to any other 45 auto.

Hollow points are designed to prevent over-penetration, a point completely lost on the NJ legislature. It is not uncommon for the hollow core to be plugged when penetrating heavy clothing, whereupon it acts like a FMJ bullet. A semi-wadcutter will inflict nearly as much shock and tissue damage, while remaining compliant with NJ law. A gummy point might be the best of both worlds.

Better yet, look for a compact .45 ACP. A 9 mm may expand, but a .45 never shrinks.

The 669 is an old model, but S&W pistols are usually rated for +P ammunition. A quick check with S&W will clear that up. A steady diet of +P might impose more wear and tear on the frame, but use for self defense with appropriate but limited practice time, is probably okay.

 

[NJM15]

The law is vague on this subject

I shot my 669 for the first time in years today. It needs some work but still shoots great. Anyway, I'm a Law enforcement officer in NJ, about to retire. I'd like to carry this pistol, but I will no longer be able to carry hollow points. I'm told Polymer ball ammo is ok. What's the best option for a 669. I've heard it's best to stay away from +p, as it may crack the frame.

At Bass Pro Atlantic City, they had a a pallet of CCI stingers and had to send them back because hollow points are not legal to sell in the city. As for the rest of NJ im not sure. Checked NJ gun laws online and found they are legal if not used for self defense.

 

[KSDeputy]

I live in KS. We have constitutional carry. I am a retired peace officer, I carry 165 gr. Hydra Shok .45 loads in my pistol. I qualify once per year for my LEOSA permit. I cannot but feel sorry for peace officers in other states that are subject to these silly laws. You have my support brothers & sisters.

 

[caleb4387]

over penetration is overbought. far more likely to misscaltogeyher. use a flat point that feeds well that will pinch through and make a couple holes in the bad guy

 

[WR Moore]

I only had a couple of actual law classes. One of the things I took away was the professors admonition: "Don't be a test case!" While you may get your name in the law books/journals if you win, you still do the time if the win has to take place in Appellate Court.

 

[caleb4387]

I only had a couple of actual law classes. One of the things I took away was the professors admonition: "Don't be a test case!" While you may get your name in the law books/journals if you win, you still do the time if the win has to take place in Appellate Court.

Thank God someone was willing to over the years

 

[K Frame Keith]

One word; PENNSYLVANIA! P.S. They don't tax your PFRS pension.

 

[Aksarben]

I tried the .380 ARX with my diminutive Bersa Thunder but have it in 9mm and .45 ACP Link to where I shot through a beef rib bone AND penetrated 2 gallons of water is here, pictures included. http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...9-ruger-arx-45-shield-45-a.html#post139594520

I would NOT want to be shot with this as I think it is quite lethal, especially the 9mm and .45 versions.

 

[TomkinsSP]

Is Spoon Tip Ammo legal on the wrong side of the Hudson?

 

[lrrifleman]

Will the law permit you to keep using your standard capacity magazines, or will you have to replace those with 10-rounders? Another consideration might be testing magazines for function with your gun and ammo, especially if you are required to make a change.[/QUOTE]

Currently, the largest capacity magazine a civilian can possess in NJ is a 15 round magazine.

 

[lrrifleman]

I have been following this thread over the last couple days. It really amazes me that a state has this kind of law. Now don't get me wrong, lawmakers in my state are by and large, a bunch of self serving boneheads, but I really cannot imagine this kind of ammunition restrictions becoming law. I think even if this kind of law managed to get passed, I really can't imagine that it would be enforced here.

Maybe I should get out more...or not.

A point to keep in mind, is that NJ is probably the only state in the Union to outlaw slingshots!

 

[jupiter1]

A point to keep in mind, is that NJ is probably the only state in the Union to outlaw slingshots!

NY banned wrist brace slingshots many years ago. However, I have seen them in a few stores that probably had no knowledge of this useless law.

 

[franzas]

I knew a guy who used unjacketed lead HP's, and used a silver, or gray wax crayon, to fill the hollow cavity, disguising them quite well.

Pretty neat, like an old-school version of a Critical Defense round

 

[rwsmith]

I should add....

Use a soft swaged SWC. The soft lead and the flat point will give some expansion.