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Il Marco
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Another state? No. At least I have my Glock 23. I'll carry it with one of the polymer ball rounds.
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Another state? No. At least I have my Glock 23. I'll carry it with one of the polymer ball rounds.
BigBill
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The state of New Jersey has always been in the fore front when making new changes. Jersey barriers? Gun laws? This no hollow point thing could spread.
Arik
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I was I'm jersey twice yesterday. What a pain it is to make sure you don't have anything on you each time you cross the Berlin Wall
if by "messed up" you mean that any citizen cannot carry HP's by law, then yes I agree it's messed up..
I am sure the criminals always abide by that law...
Fire75
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Here is a question!
Why does he get to carry?!?!?!?
Almost no one gets that "right" in the people's republic of nj
Why does he get to carry?!?!?!?
Almost no one gets that "right" in the people's republic of nj
Under LEOSA (Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act), retired officers in good standing are allowed to carry nation-wide, no other permit needed. Active LEO are also allowed to carry nation-wide. Makes it convenient in some ways, kinda inconvenient in others.
For example, in Kansas, retired LEO's have to qualify each year, shooting the standard police qualification course, with a semi-auto and a revolver (if they want to carry both types of handgun). CCH licensees are required to qualify once, when they take the licensing class; then the CCH is valid for four years, at which time it is renewed in the same manner as a drivers license--go to the DMV, pay a fee, and get the new 4-year license.
A CCH licensee is not required to submit to the NICS background check when purchasing a firearm (they still fill out the federal form, but don't have to wait around for the phone call for the Feds to deem them worthy of having a gun). Retired and active LEO still have to be called in.
One good thing about traveling with a retired/LEOSA-licensed LEO friend is when you're passing through an area where your CCH isn't recognized, you buddy could carry your gun until you get out of that jurisdiction--unless you're traveling in New Mexico, where it is only permitted to carry one gun.
Sorry for the long answer. Acebow
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okiegtrider
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I have been following this thread over the last couple days. It really amazes me that a state has this kind of law. Now don't get me wrong, lawmakers in my state are by and large, a bunch of self serving boneheads, but I really cannot imagine this kind of ammunition restrictions becoming law. I think even if this kind of law managed to get passed, I really can't imagine that it would be enforced here.
Maybe I should get out more...or not.
Maybe I should get out more...or not.
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Il Marco
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There's a story there, F- 75...
Retired officers could not carry until about 20 years ago. A retired police chief took some elderly friends a cemetery in Newark to tend to a loved on's grave. They were robbed by a thug, and the retiree had nothing to defend them with but a rake. The retired chief was murdered. After the Star Ledger article, legislation went through quickly.
Retired officers could not carry until about 20 years ago. A retired police chief took some elderly friends a cemetery in Newark to tend to a loved on's grave. They were robbed by a thug, and the retiree had nothing to defend them with but a rake. The retired chief was murdered. After the Star Ledger article, legislation went through quickly.
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This may be odd.....
You've got some great suggestions but just for funsies, coated lead Semi Wadcutters shoot very well out of my 3rd gen. That's one good reason not to have a Glock.
You've got some great suggestions but just for funsies, coated lead Semi Wadcutters shoot very well out of my 3rd gen. That's one good reason not to have a Glock.
Am I glad I left N.J. in 1991!
And I did have a CC permit in N.J.
Don't even ask what I had to go through to get it.......
And I did have a CC permit in N.J.
Don't even ask what I had to go through to get it.......
Arik
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Now I want to know! Must have been some interesting things. I'm my whole life I have only seen 2 people that carried in NJ and neither was a cop.Am I glad I left N.J. in 1991!
And I did have a CC permit in N.J.
Don't even ask what I had to go through to get it.......
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When you get tired of putting up with New Jersey let me know. I'm a licensed Realtor here in Florida and I'll be glad to help. We can carry hollow points and own silencers plus the weather is a heck of a lot nicer here.
Leaving aside the obvious issues we all have with the New Jersey law, I believe that New Jersey does not consider Corbon Powerball, Hornady Critical Defense and Federal EFMJ (including Federal LE EFMJ +P loads) to be "hollow points."
I suggest you contact the NJSP ballistics unit, preferably while still on the job, and confirm that the above rounds are still New Jersey legal and see if anything else is on the list. Then do some research on which ones are "best" for the intended purpose and make sure they work in your gun.
The NJSP ballistics guys don't make legal decisions, obviously, but their position on this will be followed by state prosecutors on this issue.
On the other hand, I thought I heard that NJ was going to change its position on hollow points for retired LEO, in compliance wit the LEOSA. I thankfully have no reason to go to NJ myself, so I have not paid much attention, but you might want to check that.
Best of luck to you.
I suggest you contact the NJSP ballistics unit, preferably while still on the job, and confirm that the above rounds are still New Jersey legal and see if anything else is on the list. Then do some research on which ones are "best" for the intended purpose and make sure they work in your gun.
The NJSP ballistics guys don't make legal decisions, obviously, but their position on this will be followed by state prosecutors on this issue.
On the other hand, I thought I heard that NJ was going to change its position on hollow points for retired LEO, in compliance wit the LEOSA. I thankfully have no reason to go to NJ myself, so I have not paid much attention, but you might want to check that.
Best of luck to you.
ednblue
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I regret that I inherited a beach house in NJ.
It is not America.
It is not America.
Erich
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Actually, shot placement is king, jeeps. 
But adequate penetration (which is queen) is a little tricky with 9mm ball - you get too much.
The OP might want to take a look at this write-up and YouTube - I'm not a fad ammo guy, but I found this pretty interesting:
Ammo Quest: Polycase ARX Inceptor in .380 ACP and 9mm - The Truth About Guns
Note that he found this a better choice against human attackers in 9mm than Lehigh.
But adequate penetration (which is queen) is a little tricky with 9mm ball - you get too much.
The OP might want to take a look at this write-up and YouTube - I'm not a fad ammo guy, but I found this pretty interesting:
Ammo Quest: Polycase ARX Inceptor in .380 ACP and 9mm - The Truth About Guns
Note that he found this a better choice against human attackers in 9mm than Lehigh.
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