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Ofc.JL

Ofc.JL

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Just ordered a new M&P 9FS and you won't believe what I got. While the serial number on the gun and box match, this new M&P is a complete throw back pistol, inasmuch as it has all of the old style trigger and fire control parts, to include the old style barrel. Build date on the pistol, I believe is 11/2015. I was of the knowledge that all new M&P 9?40's for the last year+ are of the "H" trigger configuration.
***!
I contacted S&W and they said send it in for a check and possible upgrade, but I am so pissed I may not. I may just dump the dang thing and try again. But I am very much less than pleased, trust me.
This is the 3rd 9FS I have had, as my other 2 earlier guns just would not group worth a crud. Both were pre "H" model guns. The newer "H" series pistols are supposedly more accurate w/ newer barrels and upgraded triggers, and that's what I wanted.
I still do not understand what has happened, unless S&W had a bunch of new old stock guns they have just now packaged to sell. Underhanded stunt, AFAIAC! If so, bad on you S&W!
 
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Thanx, RW. That's pretty much what I will do. I do love the M&P platform. And S&W is pretty good on taking care of LEO's in general. I will write a letter to them illustrating the problem. Lets see what they do. More to come as I find out.
 
Who did you order it from? Possibly a vendor who doesn't rotate stock and ships from the top of the stack.
 
Have you fired the gun yet? If not, how do you know it's not the best pistol you've ever owned?

You say it has the "old style" barrel. What does that mean and why do you think it has one?
 
There are 3 M&P's in our household, 2 are mine and one is my wife's. They are all "Old Style" and shoot just fine. Two are over 10 years old, and the third, M&P45c is two years old. The triggers are great for what the pistol was designed for and we have no complaints.

Not happy, send it back. If it's easy to see the "H" on the trigger bar, why didn't you look for it before you completed the sale?
 
My 12/15 Pro series has the updated trigger bar and barrel, but the old style slide release. The previous owner put a RAM in it and it has the best reset of any M&P I have owned. A quick $15 to G&R tactical and I had the updated slide stop.

Shoot it first, if the reset sucks, get the updated slide release and trigger bar from G&R. $30 and 5 mins to put it in.

I personally have never had issues with the accuracy of any of the 9mm M&P's I have owned.
 
I just order a 9mm 5" M&P pro c.o.r.e., How do I know if it has the updated trigger, slide release and barrel? This will be my first S&W
 
First off, Guys, I am a LEO armorer. And I am a S&W certified M&P armorer, as well. If you know what to look for, it easy to tell which gun is which. As far as checking before I took delivery, I did. 2 things about that. I did a cursory look at the trigger bar before I took delivery and I swore I saw the letter "H". I guess I am blind because it is the letter "S" instead. And I also was of the information that ALL M&P's in the last 1 1/2 - 2 years were the "H" model upgrade, so I assumed that's what I would get. The kicker to this is the "Build" date on this pistol is 11/03/2015. This pistol should have all the updates that S&W started to do to M&P's in 2013. I will absolutely return this pistol to S&W with a letter from me asking what has happened, and a request to fully upgrade the pistol to the new specification. I have a idea on how this happened, but it's a full tilt WAG on my part, and I won't go into it.

As far as how it shoots? Very probably just fine, but I will not bust a cap thru it until it is what it is supposed to be, or failing an upgrade, selling it.
My duty M&P was made in 2008 and it's fine. It has an APEX RAM in it and it rocks along. But it's a .40 and this new M&P is in 9mm.

BtW, A person cannot use an APEX RAM in an M&P that has the thumb safety sear block. No where to install it as S&W changed the sear block to accommodate the thumb safety itself.
Anyway, I will advise further when I know anything. Thanx, Guys.
 
If that is number three for you I would move on to something different. Why not try a CZ P07. I have three S&W's a M&P CORE, 1911 PC and a M325 TR. They all work great.
 
I am big on sending things back that are not correct, if they are in fact not correct. You will want to (politely) explain what you expected, and why, knowing that there are no guarantees, as what is NIB can be made of new (maybe not new design) parts.

Given a careful and polite conversation, I would expect a good resolution. Given a demand, all bets are off.

Be precise, polite and explain, rather than demand / require.
 
Ofc.JL said:
Just ordered a new M&P 9FS and you won't believe what I got. While the serial number on the gun and box match, this new M&P is a complete throw back pistol, inasmuch as it has all of the old style trigger and fire control parts, to include the old style barrel. Build date on the pistol, I believe is 11/2015. I was of the knowledge that all new M&P 9?40's for the last year+ are of the "H" trigger configuration.
***!
I contacted S&W and they said send it in for a check and possible upgrade, but I am so pissed I may not. I may just dump the dang thing and try again. But I am very much less than pleased, trust me.
This is the 3rd 9FS I have had, as my other 2 earlier guns just would not group worth a crud. Both were pre "H" model guns. The newer "H" series pistols are supposedly more accurate w/ newer barrels and upgraded triggers, and that's what I wanted.
I still do not understand what has happened, unless S&W had a bunch of new old stock guns they have just now packaged to sell. Underhanded stunt, AFAIAC! If so, bad on you S&W!
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Get rid of it and buy a Sig p320 you won't be sorry!
 
I'd wager that S&W will take a look at the gun and send it back with a note saying that it meets specifications. More than one forum member has contacted S&W about getting the newer parts installed and been told that it's not going to happen.
 
What kind of groups are you expecting out of this SD gun. At SD range out to 10 yards my FS 9 groups about 2 inches at 10 yards that aught to do for SD.
 
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