Open Carry demonstration

n4zov said:
I don't see where the "educate" part of this comes it. It is more likely to scare the beejebers out of a bunch of folks who only wanted to carry the family out for some BBQ and make them think gun owners are idiots!
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My thoughts exactly!
 
I don't open carry, but I support the right to. I do not agree with the people who open carry just to make a point. It's legal for me to wear a dress, but I don't. There are also those who I feel OC simply because they want to make others uncomfortable and hope for a scene.
 
A little history for those who don't know or have forgotten.

In Ohio, in the mid-1990's, there was no concealed carry and open carry was deemed illegal. The Ohio Supreme Court ruled that open carry, was in fact, legal with no license required. There being no law to allow concealed carry, it was still illegal.

Ohio Concealed Carry was established and held open carry marchs to 'educate' the Ohio Legislature. Suprisingly it worked. Not suprisingly the hoplophobes went ape-feces. But, Ohio now has law that allows for concealed carry.

Before you make blanked statements that open carry causes more harm than good, make sure of your history.
 
What I should have said was this. I have no problem with open carry, as most of you probably don't either. If you put yourself in the shoes of the general, uneducated public, open carry seems barbaric and crude, unless you are in a uniform. I don't think gunowners need anymore bad publicity, especially if they can prevent it.
 
JWiley said:
A little history for those who don't know or have forgotten.

In Ohio, in the mid-1990's, there was no concealed carry and open carry was deemed illegal. The Ohio Supreme Court ruled that open carry, was in fact, legal with no license required. There being no law to allow concealed carry, it was still illegal.

Ohio Concealed Carry was established and held open carry marchs to 'educate' the Ohio Legislature. Suprisingly it worked. Not suprisingly the hoplophobes went ape-feces. But, Ohio now has law that allows for concealed carry.

Before you make blanked statements that open carry causes more harm than good, make sure of your history.
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Yes history is important. But to gun grabbers history means nothing. They only care about here and now. No matter how many setbacks they go through, they just keep pushing. How us gun carriers proceed as a whole is more important than a small percentage of people that want to demonstrate with open carry marches. Open carry demonstrators do NOT respresent me nor do they have my support. We already have organizations that fight for us. Support them instead.
 
Kanewpadle said:
Yes history is important. But to gun grabbers history means nothing. They only care about here and now. No matter how many setbacks they go through, they just keep pushing. How us gun carriers proceed as a whole is more important than a small percentage of people that want to demonstrate with open carry marches. Open carry demonstrators do NOT respresent me nor do they have my support. We already have organizations that fight for us. Support them instead.
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Well said.
 
I also believe that "staying under the radar" is the way to go. While one has the right to open carry, sticking it in anothers face, because he/her has the right to is a bad idea.

Laws are changed all the time....why push your luck when you've already won, and have the right. Anyone consider common sence?

Her in Wi we can't get a permit to CC. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to lose the open carry right we already have. One doesn't need to announce I GOT A GUN.

spricks
 
In my humble opinion, Open Carry or Concealed Carry is for one reason only, that is self protection. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which accomplishes the objective with the least amount of public knowledge or misguided concerns.
 
Kanewpadle said:
Yes history is important. But to gun grabbers history means nothing. They only care about here and now. No matter how many setbacks they go through, they just keep pushing. How us gun carriers proceed as a whole is more important than a small percentage of people that want to demonstrate with open carry marches. Open carry demonstrators do NOT respresent me nor do they have my support. We already have organizations that fight for us. Support them instead.
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I revived this thread to show the destructiveness of open carry.

This isn't merely my opinion. It's fact. Read it for yourselves.

This is an example of "shoving down thier throats" as I stated in my earlier post in this thread.


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ETA: Do you have any idea why the people in CA are proponents of open carry?

I don't know where the destructiveness part comes into play in that article.

It is a CA problem, in WA where open carry is legal and much more accepted Starbucks has said:

Starbucks has responded only with a written statement saying, "The safety of our customers and partners is a paramount concern. We have existing security protocols in place to handle situations related to safety in our stores. We will continue to adhere closely to local, state and federal laws and the counsel of law enforcement regarding this issue."
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In fact that should cover their stores in all states, not just CA and where this article came from, which is a small enclave of thinkers much like those in CA up in the Pacific Northwest.

Sounds like Starbucks is not bowing to the pressure of the Brady people to me.

That makes it a check in the win column for me.

bob
 
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gregintenn said:
Legal, yes. Good representation of gun owners, I don't think so.
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Kanewpadle said:
I agree 100%. It's difficult enough as concealed carriers to be accepted by the general public. Open carry just shoves it down their throat and gives them another reason to hate us and come after us. Politically and tactically, it's makes no sense. Just my opinion.
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Yeah, these days exercising your rights is a sure way to gain a bad reputation and offend others. I'm being serious here. It's really sad just how low we've sunk in this country.
 
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spricks said:
I also believe that "staying under the radar" is the way to go.
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Staying under the radar for so long is why we now are at a time when so many (majority) of our fellow citizens are so ignorant about anything and everything gun related.

As I mentioned earlier, these days exercising your rights is a sure way to gain a bad reputation and offend others. I'm being serious here. It's really sad just how low we've sunk in this country. And we have only ourselves to blame.

Regarding open carry, the law abiding gun owning and gun toting citizenry of this nation need all the law abiding "publicity" we can get.
 
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TN CCW permit holder here.

OC isn't for me. I don't see the risk/reward benefit of bringing attention to myself.

If a bunch of folks want to get together to display OC, that's their business. I won't be there.
 
Evil One said:
Why wouldnt it be a good representation of gun owners?
Jim
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I think open carry is fine. But if you get a bunch of guys suddenly walking around in public that way, all the ladies are gonna think we've been invaded, and you'll scare the heck out of them. And no good is gonna come from that. Need lots of education and tv coverage FIRST.
IMHO
Sonny
 
Open carry is not permitted in Florida except under very restrictive conditions.
I have no particular interest in open carry in urban areas. However, there are lots of times in the woods and on the trails that I think open carry would and should be acceptable. I would think it much more likely that Starbucks has gun-phobes than those who hike in the deep woods.
In fact if I wanted to find a gun-phobe I would start at one of the Starbucks near the U of F. Open carry there would cause hissy fits.
 
Somebody upthread mentioned our "intent" law, and it is indeed on the books. In many cases, when criminals are arrested they are ALSO charged with carrying a weapon with the intent to go armed. Where things get difficult is that many peace officers in the Volunteer State equate OC with "intent to go armed" despite the fact that AFAIK our "CCW" law is in reality a carry law with no legal requirement to conceal. Sooooo, in the good old Volunteer State, I wouldn't OC in a civilized area as many people that AREN'T policemen equate OC with "...intent..." and act accordingly. I once had the law called on me for cleaning a rifle on my front porch in Knoxville.
 
I hope you got to read the Fox News report about the dedicated faithful police officer from East Palo Alto in today's news. Don't know if the link will stay, cause its to a news article, It's a gun rights article but anyhow.
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The fine upstanding officer writing on a friend officer's Facebook page, recommended putting anyone actually exercising their 2A rights on the ground. And shoot 'em if they move.

The officer actually made one good point in his comments. CA open carry only allows unloaded weapons in most cases, (without CCW). He suggested the gang bangers would 'jack the dude' in a heartbeat for his gun. Obviously, they know the honest guy's gun's unloaded, while there's aren't.

I'm not a real fan of open carry anyway, but it's got to be the height of stupid to open carry unloaded.
 
Just for clarification, TN doesn't have a CCW. We have a HCP (Handgun Carry Permit). It's strictly a "carry" permit, whether you choose to open carry or conceal.
 
I think open carry is just an invite for the bad guys to come up behind you and take your gun!
For example -Look at all the LEO's losing thier weapons to bad guys daily!
It's a shame a cop can't show his face without someone taking his gun away from him.
 
TNDixieGirl said:
Just for clarification, TN doesn't have a CCW. We have a HCP (Handgun Carry Permit). It's strictly a "carry" permit, whether you choose to open carry or conceal.
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"It is a defense to unlawful carrying if the possession or carrying was: Of an unloaded rifle, shotgun or handgun not concealed on or about the person and the ammunition for the weapon was not in the immediate vicinity of the person or weapon."

And yes... you need a "Handgun Carry Permit" for the "concealed" part. Handgun or whatever.
 
What? What does a "defense for unlawful carrying" code have to do with open or concealed carry in TN? You lost me.

My only point was if you "carry" a handgun in TN, whether open or concealed, you have to have the carry permit. There is no requirement to conceal.

The code you just quoted simply means you can transport a firearm without having a permit if you don't have it on your person, and the ammo is stored separately. Thats a whole different conversation though.
 
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I think open carry is just an invite for the bad guys to come up behind you and take your gun!
For example -Look at all the LEO's losing thier weapons to bad guys daily!
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Are you serious?
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Do you have any documentation of all of these LEOs losing their weapons every day, much less a citizen exercising his right to carry a weapon openly losing his.

bob
 
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I feel 'open carry' where appropriate (i.e. out in the country) is fine. In a heavily populated area it will only cause you trouble.

If the trouble dosen't come from the police it will come from some idiot with a excess of testostorone or alcohol or both.
 
therevjay said:
I feel 'open carry' where appropriate (i.e. out in the country) is fine. In a heavily populated area it will only cause you trouble.

If the trouble dosen't come from the police it will come from some idiot with a excess of testostorone or alcohol or both.
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I have open carried everywhere I have been that it is legal.
Never had anything like that go on.


Jim
 
I have had more looks and things said for wearing a hat, my tattoo, wearing boots, going out after work in my work clothes, driving a big 4x4, talking with a southern accent while being out of the south...
My side arm is one of the least noticed thing about me.
Part of the joys of being a human Sasquatch...


Jim
 
Bob R said:
Are you serious?
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Do you have any documentation of all of these LEOs losing their weapons every day, much less a citizen exercising his right to carry a weapon openly losing his.

bob
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I was being sarcastic
 
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