Police shooting 9mm failed to stop bad guy

[smoothshooter]

Do not read too much into one shooting.

 

[mindbent]

Caliber is dependent upon situation in my opinion. There's a big difference between combat and self defense. For SD I have a .40SW. I use standard fmj flat nose range ammo, either 165gr or 180gr. I don't practice any scenarios. I just practice shooting quickly and efficiently at 10'-30', occasionally I'll go farther. Outside of situational awareness shooting should become second nature. I didn't watch any videos either but one needs to take into consideration that in a life threatening situation the adrenaline rush is intense, there's no practicing or training for that. The biggest trick is to stay calm and collected and if you can't do that then caliber won't make a difference. How fast can you get your knife out? A guy I work with wants to get into shooting just for fun so he ask me what he should get. Never even heald a gun before. I told him get a .22 up to a 9mm. Most importantly is that it is first and foremost comfortable to hold from the start, if it's not comfortable it never will be. I think law enforcement should require so many hours of practice so the officers become more efficient and comfortable with there sidearm. Luck also plays a big part if one was ever to get into a gun fight. I remember asking an old timer years ago for advice if I was ever to get into a gun fight and his response "assuming you know how to shoot don't be the first one to run out of bullets", sound advice if ya ask me. Bottom line, carry whatever your comfortable with because you are responsible for your own life.

 

[Laketime]

Just to add a bit of extra information, here's a link to a presentaion by Sgt Tim Gramins on a shooting he was involved in.

Tim Gramins - Skokie Police Department. - YouTube

Short form: Violent Criminal Actor had a clean tox screen and despite a total of 16 wounds (including hits to both lungs, liver, right kidney, heart and 2 in the head) from 230 gr .45 Gold Dots, was still in the fight. Resistance ceased with 3rd head shot.

So this bad guy could have taken well over 20 nines and would still be in the fight. Good to know!

 

[jag312]

I remember many years ago at a meeting where two shooting incidents were presented. A small woman was shot with a .44 Magnum, and it didn't slow her down. A very muscular man who lifted weights was shot in the arm with a .22 LR. He instantly fell down and was flopping on the floor like a fish.


My opinion; develop marksmanship skills because your life depends on it. Don't worry so much about the caliber, but be sure to hit the right spot. Deer hunters don't shoot the deer in the butt and expect to kill it.

 

[mi2600]

Are we done yet?

 

[jupiter1]

...when the fat lady sings.

 

[CelticSire]

One of the things that I stress to my students: nothing works on everybody. There were survivors at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. If nuclear weapons don't kill everyone, do you honestly think that there is a handgun/calibre combination that works every single time?

 

[luvsmiths]

Are we done yet?

Not yet. Just this last one.

I heard about this guy who got shot in the head 42 times with a 44 Magnum, then 62 times in the chest with a 45-70 guide gun, and finally one 22LR in the leg stopped him from charging.

It took 45 minutes to get him airlifted to the Hospital, and he lived.

 

[alwslate]

To translate your wall of skreed:

"I can't be taught. I cannot learn further."

I had this whole response typed up, then I realized you're either trolling the board, or you're at bliss being willfully ignorant and obtuse. Quite frankly we are all dumber for having read your posts.

WOW! You were actually able to become dumber

 

[686-380]

And don't forget...

A 357, 45, 10mm, etc won’t stop a perp in his/her tracks if you don’t put your rounds where they count, especially if they’re under the influence.

Remember, the VICTIM(S) are under the influence too - of fight or flight adrenaline.

FWIW, I routinely carry .380 in a belly gun. It's all about our personal threat assessments. Certainly not the most powerful or accurate weapon available but enough.

 

[s&wchad]

Caliber wars…

We’ve debated defensive calibers ad nauseam and haven’t solved anything. As usual, this one’s getting a bit contentious.