no offense to your son, but if he is off duty why does anyone care about the badge in his wallet? An off duty officer working as a security officer at any building doesnt have any more authority than any other security officer.
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no offense to your son, but if he is off duty why does anyone care about the badge in his wallet? An off duty officer working as a security officer at any building doesnt have any more authority than any other security officer.
Doug M.
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^ Actually, not correct. As a general rule, varying by details of state law, off-duty cops have the same authority that they have on-duty. The better practice when doing so is to have the entity hiring cops for off-duty gigs through the department and having them in uniform, with the car and all. That's how we did it. It cost the entity a lot, but it gave them a lot more options, and it also addressed the department's control needs since the net liability issues were the same.
In Colorado if you are a POST certified sworn peace officer anywhere in the state you are a POST certified peace officer everywhere in the state. There is no such thing as “off duty” or “out of your jurisdiction”.
We ran into some problems with this when I was in the National Guard because we had Guardsmen that were police officers in real life who were required by departmental directive to carry a handgun off duty. I never actually saw anyone carrying a non military handgun but I’m some of them did.
HKB
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Why are many people in this conversation so eager to give up their right to privacy and even their guns to some stranger based on what "might happen" if they ignore the request to "stick around because I called the police" and go on about their business?
Security guard, McDonald's employee, George Zimmerman, Trevon Martin, Dean Martin, Jerry Lewis, whoever;
I don't care who you think you are.
I'm leaving.
Exactly!!! Where does it say give up your weapon in the manual of common sense? It is no one's business that I am CC.
feralmerril
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Many years ago when I lived in los angeles county california and was a guard there, the commander of the lancaster sheriffs station tried to get me on the reserves. He found he couldnt do it as they had a policy where you couldnt carry two badges. Thinking was if I got involved in a shooting on my guard job it would automaticly leave the sheriffs department libel too.
This was waaay back around 1979 and the policy might have changed, but I doubt it.
Also let me add, you would not carry where I worked as a guard for lockheed as we contracted to the goverment and most of our buildings were on federal goverment property. USAF plant 42 to be technical. They made most of the rules and we were to carry them out. My check came directly from lockheed but they paid lockheed in contracts on the planes we made for them. Plant 10 at palmdale was lockheed owned but sat on or next to plant 42 property but we also leased goverment owned buildings on several sites on the base. They required us to be armed. I knew of several guards that couldnt qualify and they had to drive to work 65 miles to some posts in burbank where they didnt have to be armed until they could qualify.
Sometimes I was sent to guard stuff on other air bases and while on those assignments I wasnt armed as long as they had AP`s at the gates and on the field. We also had some posts that the guards werent required to be armed. We also had several very small sites in remote areas.
I retired almost 14 years ago after being there 35 years. In all that time we had relatively very little trouble with employees and outside contractors or tresspassers. I had far more trouble to handle daily on the short time I worked the cheap minimum pay jobs.
This was waaay back around 1979 and the policy might have changed, but I doubt it.
Also let me add, you would not carry where I worked as a guard for lockheed as we contracted to the goverment and most of our buildings were on federal goverment property. USAF plant 42 to be technical. They made most of the rules and we were to carry them out. My check came directly from lockheed but they paid lockheed in contracts on the planes we made for them. Plant 10 at palmdale was lockheed owned but sat on or next to plant 42 property but we also leased goverment owned buildings on several sites on the base. They required us to be armed. I knew of several guards that couldnt qualify and they had to drive to work 65 miles to some posts in burbank where they didnt have to be armed until they could qualify.
Sometimes I was sent to guard stuff on other air bases and while on those assignments I wasnt armed as long as they had AP`s at the gates and on the field. We also had some posts that the guards werent required to be armed. We also had several very small sites in remote areas.
I retired almost 14 years ago after being there 35 years. In all that time we had relatively very little trouble with employees and outside contractors or tresspassers. I had far more trouble to handle daily on the short time I worked the cheap minimum pay jobs.
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Thunderhawk88
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I would have told the security guard he could not have my weapon, and then I'd wait for the police to respond.
It would be better to be present and get thing straightened out then to have Barney Fife telling the PD that an armed suspect,,,blah,blah,blah...with license number ABC 555.....and then get pulled over in a 'felony" type of stop.
It would be better to be present and get thing straightened out then to have Barney Fife telling the PD that an armed suspect,,,blah,blah,blah...with license number ABC 555.....and then get pulled over in a 'felony" type of stop.
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Don't hand it over unless its an armed guard and on private property. If you're in public there is no reason to. On private property the police will see it as an armed man ignoring commands and it could turn out badly for the ccw holder. Private property their rules. Public yours. And never give a weapon to an unarmed guard. They are not trained in proper handling of firearms.
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I've worked as an unarmed guard and I'll put my firearms training against anyone's
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Handing my carry gun to someone? Uh... no.
I am a simple man with simple disciplines. My carry gun is always loaded (one in the pipe if an autoloader), holstered and on my person, and remains so while I'm carrying, period. I don't yank it out to handle, play with or for show & tell, nor am I handing it to anyone else. Doesn't matter if it is a security guard or a pal at church who might be interested in buying the gun. Last time I read about someone doing that there was a dead little girl in church because of it.
The safest place for my carry gun is holstered and on my person... right where it will stay. I'm not the least bit interested in doing differently to accommodate or appease anyone else.
I am a simple man with simple disciplines. My carry gun is always loaded (one in the pipe if an autoloader), holstered and on my person, and remains so while I'm carrying, period. I don't yank it out to handle, play with or for show & tell, nor am I handing it to anyone else. Doesn't matter if it is a security guard or a pal at church who might be interested in buying the gun. Last time I read about someone doing that there was a dead little girl in church because of it.
The safest place for my carry gun is holstered and on my person... right where it will stay. I'm not the least bit interested in doing differently to accommodate or appease anyone else.
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But the general public doesn't know that. Armed in most states signifies you've been qualified. Who would you rather Give yours to haha
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"Ignoring commands"? Yeah, right.
Nice bluff if you can pull it off but since you're not my commander...
mc5aw
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I guess responding to the security officer with, "You can pry it out of my cold, dead hands!" wouldn't be too neighborly.
In Colorado (really anywhere) a security guard can ask you anything he wants, he just can’t demand an answer.
As I stated upthread I think the easiest way to handle it would be to say “Dude, she’s drunk of course I don’t have a gun.” And go about my business.
As I stated upthread I think the easiest way to handle it would be to say “Dude, she’s drunk of course I don’t have a gun.” And go about my business.
You said nothing about the general public, you stated that unarmed guards are not trained in the proper handling of firearms
HKB
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If you did something wrong then by all means turn your weapon and yourself in. 
No... just apologize and then just move on.
If you did nothing wrong then just move on.
No... just apologize and then just move on.If you did nothing wrong then just move on.
FLSTFI
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Did you get your training from the company that hired you to be unarmed? If not then the two are not tied together and the training is not guaranteed to be in place with other guards working for the same company.
The other posters comment is 100% legitimate. Just because you have personal training does not equate to the position having training.
alde
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When I carry the only person that knows is me. There is an old saying about lose lips.
DBinOhio
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There is a less than ZERO chance that I would willingly turn over my firearm to a security guard. I simply don't see that happening. I would simply get in the car and drive away, ending the confrontation.
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