Questions for the NY-1 Crowd and Collectors of NYPD Guns Generally . . .

[RET_NYPD_MOS]

NYPD S/S Ruger Police Service-Six

Sgt127 - In the July 1987 Class (I was in Company 87-73) we chose our service revolver in the following manner. Around August the department set out a table, you picked up one of two weapons as a male, either the Ruger, or the S&W. I chose the Ruger because my hands are very big, and the S&W just didn't sit well.

We were the first for these particular weapons; they were both spurless as you see in this picture. The only change I made was to the grips, again because of the size of my hands. The day that the person you spoke about meant, was "Gun and Shield Day" - that’s the day we receive our shields, and the guns we had already owned, and used at the range. The department held them until this particular day - so these were chosen by us five-months prior.

We NEVER had a spurred-hammer on this particular S/S model, nor did any service revolvers, or semi's have spurs after the October 1987 graduating class - we graduated in January 1988 - and when we headed to field training, NSU, all the precinct cops had to see these weapons - since we were the first. While you had these firearms, once a veteran saw you with it he knew you didn't come on before July 1987 - unless of course you for some insane reason opted to use this opposed to a blued .38 that you may have had before July 1987.

I had an 892 tax number, those in here who know about the NYPD know what that means - it depicts the time I came on.

But the picture you show is identical as mine, however no spurs were on the hammers - we were not qualified, or allowed to have them on starting in my class.

 

[ultra45]

No - Equipment section purchases were for just MOS (Members of the Service - NYPD term for its sworn employees) - what happens is once a firearm is authorized you may purchase it from a licensed store. These firearms were not available to these stores - on the NYPD Equipment section at One Police Plaza - whereas we had to call before coming down just to make sure stock of the firearms, or even any equipment was available for purchase - that's right we had to buy ALL of our equipment, even the pin that held on our shield. Being in highway myself, that got rather expensive.

Partialy true, several other departments (NYC) were permitted to purchase firearms directly from the equip section. Corrections was allowed at one time to purchase M-10 revolvers.

I purchased 2 model 36's with 3" heavy barrels from the equip section back in 82. They were $61 bucks each, were originally offered as service revolvers (on duty) for police women. I gave one to my father-in-law who had a carry permit (jeweler) and I still have one. BTW, the serial numbers are sequencial.

So, without checking, I would figure the ES had guns ny-1's in stock long after the recall.

 

[Sgt 127]

RET_NYPD_MOS:

I may have used my own phrase when I said "Gun Day". He described exactly as you did, guns laying on a table, pick the one you like and thats what you will get.

Does yours have the "STAR" inside the yoke?

I cannot. for the life of me, figure out the hammer with a spur. It letters, through Ruger, as an NYPD gun. Yet, it has the spur. I know I got it direct from an NYPD Cop. He put ten years in with NYPD and then went to Nassau county.

Maybe when he left NYPD he took it to a local gunsmith and had a spurred hammer put back in...thats all I can figure.

I also have a Ruger SP-NY. Found it new in the box 10 years ago.

Last time I was in NY, I saw a few old cops carrying revolvers. I looked for a Ruger, but, it seemed most that I saw were Smith 64's. I wonder how many Rugers were ever carried?

I guess I have a particular attachment to NYC. I lived in NYC proper for about a year, when I was a kid and then lived in Valley Stream on long island for about 5 years.

 

[perpster]

RET_NYPD_MOS:

Maybe when he left NYPD he took it to a local gunsmith and had a spurred hammer put back in...thats all I can figure.

It was not unheard of for someone with a friend at the range to get a revolver changed back to spurred hammer and single/double action sear before separating from the Dept.

 

[ultra45]

I bought 2 Ruger off duty's at the Equip Sec, Speed Six's. One Blue and one SS. Blue had 2 3/4 " bbl and the SS 3" Blue had a hammer and SS was DAO. I changed the SS to hammer. Got the hammers from SILE on Centre Market Place. I used to work p/t at Jovino's in the 70's. I came on before the change over to DAO, which I think was mentioned in another post, around '87.

I'm sorry I sold both Rugers, they were great guns.

 

[RET_NYPD_MOS]

RET_NYPD_MOS:

I may have used my own phrase when I said "Gun Day". He described exactly as you did, guns laying on a table, pick the one you like and thats what you will get.

Does yours have the "STAR" inside the yoke?

I cannot. for the life of me, figure out the hammer with a spur. It letters, through Ruger, as an NYPD gun. Yet, it has the spur. I know I got it direct from an NYPD Cop. He put ten years in with NYPD and then went to Nassau county.

Maybe when he left NYPD he took it to a local gunsmith and had a spurred hammer put back in...thats all I can figure.

I also have a Ruger SP-NY. Found it new in the box 10 years ago.

Last time I was in NY, I saw a few old cops carrying revolvers. I looked for a Ruger, but, it seemed most that I saw were Smith 64's. I wonder how many Rugers were ever carried?

I guess I have a particular attachment to NYC. I lived in NYC proper for about a year, when I was a kid and then lived in Valley Stream on long island for about 5 years.

I would guess that he had it, as you stated, modified by merely having a gunsmith exchange a spurred - no, I do not have the star as you have shown - again, I was in the first class, it may have come afterwards.

Honestly, in my company of almost 50 recruits, only a few of us picked the Ruger - I love the weapon - when I pull on the trigger I get a dead spot where I can hold the hammer - but then again I was in a shooting with it in 1993 - and there was no aiming - just shooting
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[RET_NYPD_MOS]

Partialy true, [...]

It's not a matter of being true or not - we're talking about post 1987 - before that I have no idea what the department equipment sections policy happen to be at the time - truthfully - I don’t even care what their policy was, or is. All I can say is what I know as a MOS from the day I came on, until the day I retired. The equipment section was so under stocked that we had to call before even making the trip to Puzzle Plaza just to make sure they had even one off-duty available for sale - same goes for my highway rain gear that took me over a year to get from them. The one thing they always had in stock - gun belts - why? Because they were regular black trouser belts - yep, $5 leather belts is what we used when I came on, and probably for 100 years before that as well. We had to go out on our own if we wanted to purchase Sam Browne rigs - which subsequently became mandatory when we went to 9MM's.

 

[ultra45]

It's not a matter of being true or not - we're talking about post 1987 - before that I have no idea what the department equipment sections policy happen to be at the time - truthfully - I don’t even care what their policy was, or is. All I can say is what I know as a MOS from the day I came on, until the day I retired. The equipment section was so under stocked that we had to call before even making the trip to Puzzle Plaza just to make sure they had even one off-duty available for sale - same goes for my highway rain gear that took me over a year to get from them. The one thing they always had in stock - gun belts - why? Because they were regular black trouser belts - yep, $5 leather belts is what we used when I came on, and probably for 100 years before that as well. We had to go out on our own if we wanted to purchase Sam Browne rigs - which subsequently became mandatory when we went to 9MM's.

After the academy, I rarely purchased anything from the Equip Sec. I bought all my equip, about 90% from Paul's in the Bronx. Other stuff I ordered direct from Mfgrs. I got my britches from Jasper and eventually ordered my boots (HWY 82-92) from California that my CHP buddy turned me on to.

All I said was, the equip sec did sell, on occassion, to other NYC agency's.

And Ret_NYPD_MOS...Keep the shinny side up and "BEND EM" all!

 

[Barsch]

Wow...lots of memories...shield day, first day in NSU 2 (tax 882XXX)...I still have my S&W model 10 and Model 36, both with blue Tyler grip adapters. The service ammo then was 158 gr. semi-wadcutters.

Now retired living in Florida, I've embraced a 642-1 for daily carry (with S&W wood grips and brushed aluminum T grip of course)...and the upgraded ammo...Gold Dot 135+P short barrel

 

[sal1911a1]

Hello fellow MOS

Hi Everyone

Ret MOS you bring great memories

My tax number was 894***

My class was the second or third to have the NY-1 revolver(1988 I think second)
my collection is growing fast with my friends leaving the job.

I love the S&W model 64 four inch the best, but I still have a few 3" around.

I purchased a few at the equipment section all are very well fitted with clean action.

Over the years I did see a bunch of fake NY-1, lot of cylinder bind, my guess some gun stores sent out a bunch of frames to get the NY-1 stamp from some guy having a bad day with the hammer and the yokes were mixed up and made proper fitting near impossible for a quack gunsmith. oh well
the fake stamps are easy to spot.

stay safe!!!

 

[orangehole]

How can you tell if you have a fake stamped NY-1?? Here is a shot of my 2" 64-4 NY-1. I assume it is real as it also has the serial number laser engraved on left side of frame.

I am still looking for a 3" if anyone wants to part with one

 

[florida1098]

NYPD memories

Joined in 1984 and my memory is slightly different, and very little of it left. Anyway, we were issued Blue Model 10's, heavy barrel only, and the only option I remember was a Ruger. For off duty we could carry the Colt, Smith or service Ruger. I carried my model 10 in a swivel holster til retirement in 2004. My wife joined the dept in 88 and carried a stainless model 64. Off duty were the chiefs purchased from the equiptment section. I purchsed quite a few, don't know where they went. I recently found a receipt for one I purchased in 1996 for $336. Anyway we are both cops here in Florida and carry Glocks, but still have a fondness for Wheel guns, ( me not her). One thing I do remember as a PCT Sgt (32 pct) was the transition to 9mm. The cops were allowed to either choose a Glock or Smith semi, but at the initial change over Sig Sauer also were tried. The initial batched had issues with rusting so they were never approved and all returned to Sig. Funny thing it was almost a badge of honor to allow your service weapon to get so rusted/dirty/ corroded that the range Officers could'nt open them. Always a big joke back at the PD. Also when I retired in 04 I took my model 10 to a shop for trade-in, I believe it was Jovinos, or the one near old Police Plaza. Anyway, they offered me twenty five dollars. So disgusted, I left it in my locker when I retired and never went back for it. Wish I did, but, at least we have wifes model 64 and brother-in-law"s Ruger, Police six (also retired). When I came down to Florida had a garage sale and sold or gave away every NYPD item i still had, wanted it to be a memory and nothing else. Did'nt know I'd be a cop here again, or wife either. The kids on the block were all dressed in NYPD stuff and had a ball playing cops and robbers. Still after 9/11 I wish I kept the uniform I wore that day, dusty dirty and all. It's somewhere here though in Florida, probably in a kids storage/play box. Sorry for the rant, just alot of memories. Never thought i'd miss the NYPD, but really they were the most professional Cops I ever met. Been doing it now here in Florida almost 5 years, hate every second of it but pays for the toys like my new 13-3 3 inch.

 

[RET_NYPD_MOS]

I got my britches from Jasper and eventually ordered my boots (HWY 82-92) from California that my CHP buddy turned me on to.

Equipment section wound up getting out of the business of selling highway gear - (HWY 95-01) I guess it was too much over-head. I bought all my leather, britches, Sam Brown, Lanyard, etc from Big Apple police equipment in Staten Island - went through around $2,000 in one day between my jacket, boots (Bates Silent Sneakers), a few pair of britches, custom tailored duty shirts, new Summer Blouse with hooks - the summer blouse I actually got from Parks in Brooklyn.

And like I said, it took about a year to get the rain gear - so for about that time - I remained in the RMP when it rained
So the West Shore Expressway was ticket-free on those days!
I actually still use that rain gear on my wheel down here - and my Hwy Duty Shoei - I get remarkable looks when I pass someone.
This is me with the Summer Blouse and fifty pounds of gear. (Yes thats the police academy auditorium),

 

[RET_NYPD_MOS]

Still after 9/11 I wish I kept the uniform I wore that day,

I was part of the retiree contingent that responded - I still have my air filter from the initial day with all the dust still on and in it - and the helmet they gave me at Fresh Kills - I'm donating it a 9/11 rememberance organization. Aside from that - I have the polyps in my nasal cavity as a constant reminder from sucking in that crap.

 

[sal1911a1]

fakes

On NY-1 fakes the NY-1 does not line up, they could never get it straight. The actions are horrible(cylinder bind) A gun store in Long Island was busted for that, and any guns from that store were turned down by the range and sent back.

Laser is real, issued around 1990- 1991,

The actions and fitting on the ones around that time are perfect.

 

[RET_NYPD_MOS]

On NY-1 fakes the NY-1 does not line up, they could never get it straight. The actions are horrible(cylinder bind) A gun store in Long Island was busted for that, and any guns from that store were turned down by the range and sent back.

Laser is real, issued around 1990- 1991,

The actions and fitting on the ones around that time are perfect.

Sal - I don't know - take a look at my 60 on page 2 - that's a city NY-1 stamp - orangehole's stamp is way more perfect than mine - and I got that one from 1 PP.

 

[sal1911a1]

mod 60

Model 60 NY-1 was a very limited run

I don't know how many were made, it was in service for a short run,

I don't have much knowledge on that model, other than it gave light hits and it was taken out of service. I don't remember the equipment section selling that model, are you sure you purchased at One PP.

S&W stamped the guns NY-1 not the city

Call S&W with the serial number, they may have more info.

Orange hole has a model 64 2" with the frosted vapor finish and a laser NY-1 that was the last batch of NY-1's to be made.
yours could be fine, just a very early run, maybe 1987 or early 1988

 

[RET_NYPD_MOS]

Yepper - it was purchased at the equipment section - and was part of the 1989 recall. All of my service weapons - Ruger, Police Six, S&W M-60, and S&W 5946 were from One PP (5946 we got for no cost, had to pay $75 for the night sights). The one off-duty I bought right before I retired was the Glock 26 and I purchased that from NY Iron Works in Manhattan.

The picture of the one I put up is from the equipment section - the numbers are off line - I believe the ones that were totally straight and neat looking were the ones from outside the department - ours is a typical NYPD Contratcual BS stamp. City probably paid $200,000 for a stamp kit they sell at Harbor Freight for $9.99.

 

[florida1098]

When a gun was purchased at the Equiptment section it was automatically deemed servicable/authorized. When a gun was purchased from a private vendor it was supposed to be taken to the range and approved/authorized by a range instructor. The only modification allowable was the switching of the wood grips to a rubber approved brand, ( basically Pachymyr ). So as a desk Sgt, when a cop brought me their new weapon the first thing we did was throw away the cheap original grips and put on rubber ones. ( We showed them) Then I would make an entry in the Blotter as to the Weapon, serial #, Mos, and place of purchase etc etc. Finally, we had to fill out and send a form to the NYSP which kept a NYS record of every gun owned in the state. Once a year during inspections we would print out a teletype, sometimes hundreds of pages long with the MOS and every gun registered to him. Well, some of the cops had 50 or more guns at home and impossible to have them carry in and inspect each one. Although I DID it as I was supposed to. Anyway, you can see where some may have slipped through the cracks and ended up for sale, changed, altered, or sold w/o the Department knowing. Some of the precincts had hundreds of cops and you can see the logistics of trying to account for every gun. When I left the Dept had 45,000 members. So that's basically why all these guns have rubber grips and the ( crap ) wooden ones were discarded right into the garbage can under the desk. As my Alzheimer fades and comes will add more. One last thing, with the transition to 9mm's I believe the dept gave you the gun for free, but you were required to buy and show the Desk the leather gear for the gun Belt, Holster etc etc which cost about $150. The transition course from revolver to 9mm was 3 days at the range. Many habits at the range were drilled into you and after 20 plus years I still do. However, here in Florida those habits are deemed wrong, inappropriate, and even dangerous, but that's another thread.

 

[Fla_Sun]

I know this is an old thread, my 60-2 has two markings stamped above the NY-1. Wonder what they are and mean. I bought this gun new from a major sports retail store in Florida in 1989. It is accurate and has a smooth action.
Thanks,