Rant: Having A Concealed Handgun Permit Does NOT Make You A Cop
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Seven3
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Your acquaintance's behavior is the exact OPPOSITE of how a reasonable and prudent person who carries a gun should behave. When we carry, we should take great pains to stay away from confrontation, or contributing to the escalation of any situation that might lead to confrontation. If you have to use your gun to defend yourself, you want to be able to show the authorities (or God forbid, a jury) that you did everything possible to avoid using that level of force, and had no other option.
This is also an example of why those "concealed carry badges" are such a bad idea. They contribute to a dangerous mindset for some people, who also happen to be the sort of people who would want the badge in the first place.
This is also an example of why those "concealed carry badges" are such a bad idea. They contribute to a dangerous mindset for some people, who also happen to be the sort of people who would want the badge in the first place.
Dude's a tool. 'Nuff said . . .
I agree w/w everyone here that said to avoid this hot head, he's looking for a fight. That kind of person will find a fight and probably get locked up. One of the greatest things about retirement is I no longer have the responsibility of inserting myself into these kinds of situations, and can happily go about my own business.
hangnoose
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GOOD ADVICE.
The Chris Rock video on "how NOT to get your butt beat by the police" might help.
The Chris Rock video on "how NOT to get your butt beat by the police" might help.
Tom_R
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I really could not agree more on the points that you make here.
Unfortunately, too many people take it to mean that when you Carry, you are some kind of extension of Justice. You aren't, as we agree.
People who are informed that I carry, or sometimes carry always want to bring up a what if that if I get into an argument with someone and it gets heated won't the gun come out and get used.
I explain that if I am carrying, there is no argument. If I am carrying and someone calls me an idiot, than I am an idiot. If they say I am a jerk, then I am a jerk. If they say I am wrong, then I am wrong. I just happen to be a wrong/idiot/jerk that will be exiting that area extremely quickly.
I am the only one aware that there is a lethal weapon present, on my person. I understand that I am held to the highest possible standard of care. I have chosen that responsibility, and I don't take it lightly.
You don't either.
You have the correct mindset for safe carry.
vigil617
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Just a hunch, Smoke, but I have a feeling you probably attend church with this guy. If I'm right about that, I understand that it's not so easy sometimes to avoid a person when you're going to be seeing them regularly due to mutual membership in an organization. And with church, we do try to give the benefit of the doubt to our brothers and sisters in Christ, though in some cases it's hard for us. (And probably for others to give us the benefit of the doubt sometimes, too. 
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Other posters have correctly pointed out that this guy has some jerkish tendencies. Yeah, avoiding him is probably a good idea. Maybe, though, someone (pastor?) could take him aside and explain a few things out of genuine concern for him and what he might get himself into if he keeps up these behaviors.
I know a couple of people like the one you describe. Fortunately, I don't have to go to church with them.
)Other posters have correctly pointed out that this guy has some jerkish tendencies. Yeah, avoiding him is probably a good idea. Maybe, though, someone (pastor?) could take him aside and explain a few things out of genuine concern for him and what he might get himself into if he keeps up these behaviors.
I know a couple of people like the one you describe. Fortunately, I don't have to go to church with them.
Jaysq
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I would find a replacement friend before this guy drags you into something with him. It sounds like he is the danger instead of the people he is complaining about.
Being armed... with that kind of mind set, the guy is truly a "loose cannon" that one day the odds will catch up to. That's exactly the kind of nimrod that will end up on the evening news being put before the public eye as a representation of concealed carry permit holders in general... which we all need like bad case of VD.
Not only would I stop associating with the individual, I'd do what I could to get his permit yanked by talking to the issuing authority about his behavior and stance on having LEO status bestowed upon him by the permit.
Not only would I stop associating with the individual, I'd do what I could to get his permit yanked by talking to the issuing authority about his behavior and stance on having LEO status bestowed upon him by the permit.
Got into an argument with an acquaintance of mine tonight that I probably should have
Smoke, yes you should have avoided that argument, but you should avoid that clown like the Black Death. Clowns like that are a real problem just waiting to happen. Again drop this guy like a Hot Rock...
Smoke, yes you should have avoided that argument, but you should avoid that clown like the Black Death. Clowns like that are a real problem just waiting to happen. Again drop this guy like a Hot Rock...
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Smoke,
You've posted a lot of these type 'my buddy' type stories. It's all good, but am wondering if it's the same guy or do you surround yourself with these folks?
You've posted a lot of these type 'my buddy' type stories. It's all good, but am wondering if it's the same guy or do you surround yourself with these folks?
Ever feel like a magnet? 
Maybe time to make a clear distinction, at least to yourself, regarding whether this man is an acquaintance or a buddy, friend, etc.
I have a growing number of acquaintances, but a handful of friends. My requirements for being a 'friend' becomes increasingly higher as I get older, too.
Assumptions. If you feel like wasting some more time, take a napkin and draw the lines between the letters of the word 'assume', and see if it's either welcome, or sinks in, to your acquaintance, buddy, whatever.
Okay, if he's a real 'wannabe', suggest that he look into becoming a reserve officer and volunteering his time to actually learn about the law, and help enforce the law when on-duty. This is presuming his background and psych profile would actually allow him to pass the background and be sworn to the position. Anybody's guess if he could actually pass whatever academy training is required in your state.
As has already been said, you can probably add the "or arrested" option to his future path. Combine it with "sued", if he's really stubborn and unlucky, someday.
To be fair, it's not uncommon for LE agencies to have to create policies and general orders covering what their peace officer employees ought to do about suspected minor violations they may observe occurring while on their own time, off-duty. These sort of things can help provide direction and guidance, especially to newer cops, about the nature of circumstances where it might be reasonable for them to consider invoking their status in an off-duty capacity, taking LE actions.
Oddly enough, I've found that these sort of folks (everyone can find one or more of them) tend to avoid me, or at least avoid starting such discussions around me, after it happens for the first time.
I have little desire for their problems to become my problems, too.
Good luck. (And this may be one of those situations where you can make your own luck, if you want to do so. )
Maybe time to make a clear distinction, at least to yourself, regarding whether this man is an acquaintance or a buddy, friend, etc.
I have a growing number of acquaintances, but a handful of friends. My requirements for being a 'friend' becomes increasingly higher as I get older, too.
Assumptions. If you feel like wasting some more time, take a napkin and draw the lines between the letters of the word 'assume', and see if it's either welcome, or sinks in, to your acquaintance, buddy, whatever.
Okay, if he's a real 'wannabe', suggest that he look into becoming a reserve officer and volunteering his time to actually learn about the law, and help enforce the law when on-duty. This is presuming his background and psych profile would actually allow him to pass the background and be sworn to the position. Anybody's guess if he could actually pass whatever academy training is required in your state.
As has already been said, you can probably add the "or arrested" option to his future path. Combine it with "sued", if he's really stubborn and unlucky, someday.
To be fair, it's not uncommon for LE agencies to have to create policies and general orders covering what their peace officer employees ought to do about suspected minor violations they may observe occurring while on their own time, off-duty. These sort of things can help provide direction and guidance, especially to newer cops, about the nature of circumstances where it might be reasonable for them to consider invoking their status in an off-duty capacity, taking LE actions.
Oddly enough, I've found that these sort of folks (everyone can find one or more of them) tend to avoid me, or at least avoid starting such discussions around me, after it happens for the first time.
I have little desire for their problems to become my problems, too.
Good luck. (And this may be one of those situations where you can make your own luck, if you want to do so.
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Most of my "My buddy stories" come from people I work with/ have worked with in the past or people I go to church with.
A friend is someone that I would let enter my home and none of the"my buddies" make that cut.
I post the stuff here because it usually makes for a good thread.
A friend is someone that I would let enter my home and none of the"my buddies" make that cut.
I post the stuff here because it usually makes for a good thread.
Helpful distinction.
You're usually correct about the 'interesting thread' observation, too. More cordial folks on this forum who usually have reasoned responses, or are even willing to reconsider a formerly held opinion or perspective, than on some other gun forums.
Not always, and not on all topics, of course.
Well, I gotta ask then . . . Is the "buddy" in this thread the same person as the "acquaintance" that you got in the argument with? Or did you get in an argument with a third party about what a mutual "buddy" did?
G.T. Smith
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the acquaintance and the buddy are the same person. I was arguing with him that A. the alleged illegal concealed carrier was not carrying a concealed weapon and B. even if he was the acquaintance/buddy would have been better off minding his own business
The third party who asked how the acquaintance/buddy managed to find himself in all these situations was a friend
and the story about the alleged illegal concealed carrier was told to us second hand be the acquaintance/buddy in the "There I was...." style.
Rogue Wizard
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Concealed carry is for self DEFENSE,...... sounds like this old sod is going on OFFENSE....aka,... looking for trouble.
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If this buddy isn't willing to seek professional help and he's delusion to the point where he thinks he's the new Sheriff in town. Tell him to stop messing with the pot smokers in the car park and go straight to the top and put the crack dealers straight. Should be fun.
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