RE: Krav Maga Training

[sq hunter]

martial arts are both eastern & western.
A lot of fights have been ended with a straight right & left hook.
ben around for years & still works.

 

[Lt JL]

When I was a street cop, I would smile inside when some street punk would assume a "karate" position, and I'd break his nose with an overhand left.

 

[Engineer1911]

Brooklyn street fighting.

Knee to groin.
Punch to solar plexus.
Smash opponents face into ground when they fall.

Non lethal, yet very satisfying against bad guy.

Didn't cost a cent to learn.

Over in 10 seconds.

You need to get into confrontations with shorter people so they fall to the ground quicker. 10 seconds can be a loooong time in a physical confrontation. Where are their buddies? Bullies usually come in groups.

 

[bhayles]

It would be difficult to find out what martial arts is all about in six months or less. ...

And martial arts is not something you do half way. Either you do or you don't.

Also, what goes on between the ears is of utmost importance.

6 months or a year is useless if you need the skills tomorrow. Find a type of skillset that can be learned fairly fast and then honed with practice. This leaves out most martial arts.

My preference is TFT or Target Focus Training, devised by Tim Larkin. Its pricey, but a weekend course gives you a good basis that you can use on Monday and still improve on with practice.

The biggest thing you'll learn, though, are not the skills...its the mindset, the difference between a social, anti-social, and asocial response. When it comes to your life or the lives of loved ones you better be willing to revert to the third.

 

[Rastoff]

6 months or a year is useless if you need the skills tomorrow. Find a type of skillset that can be learned fairly fast and then honed with practice. This leaves out most martial arts.

That's an interesting point of view. The thing is, there's no reason to avoid one kind of training just because you can't learn it in a day. Any kind of martial training will require more than that to be good at it. This includes shooting and empty hand self-defense.

 

[ClayCow]

Id say take some type of self defense. Any is better than none. Im a black bely tae kwon do, i doubt ill ever get a kick in if i ever get into a street fight, but it also taught you how to dodge and move. It would be interesting though, most people would expect punches and if you were to kick, well that might be an advantage.

Anyways i say do it. Always good to have secondary set of skills than relying on an item you may not have. Shouldnt just depend on the gun. If guns were key the military or police wouldnt teach hand to hand tactics(its also taught to increase self confidence)

 

[e3mrk]

When I was in the Marine Corp's the close Combat Instructor taught Us that Style will get You killed and just taught Us how to win a Fight fast.
How many of You Marines here remember choking out Your Partner in Class?
I did that to some drunk that would not leave Me alone one night in a Bar,It only took a couple of seconds to put Him to sleep,I got a lot of respect and free drinks that night.
Now if the Guy would have had a Gun I would have been heading for the Hill's.
I think that Everyone should be able to defend Themselves and taking a good self defense course is a good idea.

 

[A10]

My preference is TFT or Target Focus Training

My preference is RFR, or Run Forest Run!

 

[MOONDAWG]

I'd rather have Situational Awareness so acute that confrontations never occur...

 

[Protected One]

I'd rather have Situational Awareness so acute that confrontations never occur...

Woudn't we all! But...

 

[Frizzman]

If one has no options other than lethal force or being beaten/wounded/killed, then one has little to deal with reality. The line between lethal force or nothing is wide. I see people who are grossly overweight and obviously in poor condition carrying firearms thinking that makes up for their physical condition. Surviving a confrontation requires a range of skills, training and physical conditioning. What one choses to do doesn't matter as much as learning some basic skills to gain some distance and prevent a weapon snatch. Developing some upper body strength and cardio endurance is important for staying alive in more than self-defense situations. I have been involved in a number of confrontations that did not justify lethal force but did require the ability to use physical force to avoid severe injury. In my city, the recreation centers teach some basic martial arts classes...karate, judo and akido for nominal fees. Your gun isn't the answer to all problems.

 

[Protected One]

If one has no options other than lethal force or being beaten/wounded/killed, then one has little to deal with reality. The line between lethal force or nothing is wide. I see people who are grossly overweight and obviously in poor condition carrying firearms thinking that makes up for their physical condition. Surviving a confrontation requires a range of skills, training and physical conditioning. What one choses to do doesn't matter as much as learning some basic skills to gain some distance and prevent a weapon snatch. Developing some upper body strength and cardio endurance is important for staying alive in more than self-defense situations. I have been involved in a number of confrontations that did not justify lethal force but did require the ability to use physical force to avoid severe injury. In my city, the recreation centers teach some basic martial arts classes...karate, judo and akido for nominal fees. Your gun isn't the answer to all problems.

Well said.

 

[captaingoon]

My son is 13 and just earned his Black Belt in Kempo. He is now in Krav Magra classes. I am a Blue Belt in Brazilian JiuJitsu under Salo Rebero. He kicks my *** with Krav!! It is truly the only street fighting discipline.

 

[Rastoff]

Your gun isn't the answer to all problems.

Sadly, most who carry think it is.

 

[ClayCow]

Sadly, most who carry think it is.

I get absolutely irritated by people who want to use a gun as a sole means of protection. It should be a last resort and you youraelf should be jn some kind of shape. Ive brought it up in many forums that there are other ways to defend yourself, people just get pissed atme.

 

[Rastoff]

It's a simple truism that the vast majority of people in the US are not in decent shape. I would be lying if I said I were. After I broke my femur I've had trouble getting back into any kind of regimen.

Col. Jeff Cooper said, "Owning a gun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician." The over arching thought with this is, if you can't effectively use your gun, it's little more than a hunk of metal.

"Effective" is not well defined when it comes to using a gun. My definition for effective is not going to be the same as someone else. I think of times combined with accuracy, but most just think about accuracy.

Look at this video:


Here is an incident where a guy had a gun with him and was attacked. By all rights the black guy could have shot the white haired guy. It would have been a justifiable defense. However, notice that he had no chance to get his gun out and wasn't prepared to fight this guy off in any way. Explain to me how having a gun made him safe?

 

[jlrhiner]

I carry a gun because I'm too crippled up to beat someone to death with my bare hands. Hand to hand combat is best left to the young and eager. A CPO at Coronado once told me "An armed man will kill an un-armed man with monotonous regularity".

 

[ClayCow]

I carry a gun because I'm too crippled up to beat someone to death with my bare hands. Hand to hand combat is best left to the young and eager. A CPO at Coronado once told me "An armed man will kill an un-armed man with monotonous regularity".

Not. too true. If youre crippled with a gun. I can guaranty ill get you over me if im unarmed. It all depebds on the situation ofncourse as people when looking at a group dont often go after the crippled.

 

[jlrhiner]

Not. too true. If youre crippled with a gun. I can guaranty ill get you over me if im unarmed. It all depebds on the situation ofncourse as people when looking at a group dont often go after the crippled.

The stupidity of youth amazes me.

 

[ClayCow]

The stupidity of youth amazes me.

And the stupidity of the people who think the gun is end all amazes me.

 

[jlrhiner]

And the stupidity of the people who think the gun is end all amazes me.

I'm sorry to interrupt your self aggrandizement, but the gun is a tool. Like the knife, it has it's place. For you to make the assumption that because someone is older, they are fruit for your picking, will likely get you killed. I'm not sure where your arrogance comes from, your profile shows no military or law enforcement experience. Just where and how did you become such a great fighter that you fear no man with a weapon?

 

[e3mrk]

I remember Our Hand to Hand Combat instructor in the Corp's Teaching Us that in a hand to hand situation You use anything You can as a weapon. Sticks,Broken Glass,Bottles and even Dirt will work in a Pinch.
We called it Street Karate because it looked more like Street Fighting than a Martial Art.
But I still choose a Gun over physical contact due to getting older I don't heal as fast as I used to,But it's still comforting to know I can still defend Myself if needed.

 

[Rastoff]

I'm sorry to interrupt your self aggrandizement, but the gun is a tool.

Jim, I think we're running into what I call "internet filtering" and maybe you two are talking about the same thing.

I believe that ClayCow is saying that there are more tools available than just a gun. I don't think he's saying that if you're not a martial artist you're an idiot.

We all have limitations. Age is certainly a factor as is condition, mental focus, awareness and a host of other things. I have recently broken my femur. This injury has left me unable to do what I was able to do just two years ago. That doesn't mean that I'm only left with a gun to defend myself. I can still use my wits and the things around me. I may not be able to run, but my gun is not the only tool in my bag.

In your case, there may be some physical limitations, but you are not bed ridden. It is wise to look into other potential means of defense. The guy in the video I posted had a gun and wasn't able to wrestle with his attacker. In that case a gun wasn't enough to help him. He had other tools available, but didn't use any of them. No, he can't go four rounds with an MMA fighter, but there are still things he could do if he knew them. The same holds true for you.

 

[bigjohn4]

Isn't the Walmart video footage of a good samaritan attacking a person with a CCW? I remember hearing about this a few months ago, just curious!

 

[Biggfoot44]

As noted multiple times , some degree of hand to hand ability is important. If only to create distance to access gun. ( Not to mention at least the basics of retention.

The particular style is less important than the attitude and outlook of the instructor. Even thought it isn't a Martial Art per se , an instructor with background of teaching DT can impart practical skills quickly.

Empty hand isn't first choice. Or second choice. And I could argue between empty hand and beating feet for third choice. But you can't predict in advance when you'll need it. And when you need it , you'll really need it , right now.

 

[Biggfoot44]

And Rastoff left out the fourth catagory of Martial Arts Classes : Those primarily oriented twords physical fitness and cardio.

 

[Rastoff]

And Rastoff left out the fourth catagory of Martial Arts Classes : Those primarily oriented twords physical fitness and cardio.

Those would fit into the "Sport" category.

 

[Old TexMex]

Willingness is the key.
No tool will work on its own.
A man has to be more than able, he has to be willing to apply violence.

For the "artists":
Witness the number of "out of shape, untrained in the ARTS" murderers in prison. More than a few of them have murdered other murderers.

Walking for days at a time in the brush country and desert will get you in shape.

None of it is very useful if you aren't willing to survive, and able to hit your target (with whatever your tool might be).