RE: Krav Maga Training

[Frizzman]

If one has no options other than lethal force or being beaten/wounded/killed, then one has little to deal with reality. The line between lethal force or nothing is wide. I see people who are grossly overweight and obviously in poor condition carrying firearms thinking that makes up for their physical condition. Surviving a confrontation requires a range of skills, training and physical conditioning. What one choses to do doesn't matter as much as learning some basic skills to gain some distance and prevent a weapon snatch. Developing some upper body strength and cardio endurance is important for staying alive in more than self-defense situations. I have been involved in a number of confrontations that did not justify lethal force but did require the ability to use physical force to avoid severe injury. In my city, the recreation centers teach some basic martial arts classes...karate, judo and akido for nominal fees. Your gun isn't the answer to all problems.

 

[Protected One]

If one has no options other than lethal force or being beaten/wounded/killed, then one has little to deal with reality. The line between lethal force or nothing is wide. I see people who are grossly overweight and obviously in poor condition carrying firearms thinking that makes up for their physical condition. Surviving a confrontation requires a range of skills, training and physical conditioning. What one choses to do doesn't matter as much as learning some basic skills to gain some distance and prevent a weapon snatch. Developing some upper body strength and cardio endurance is important for staying alive in more than self-defense situations. I have been involved in a number of confrontations that did not justify lethal force but did require the ability to use physical force to avoid severe injury. In my city, the recreation centers teach some basic martial arts classes...karate, judo and akido for nominal fees. Your gun isn't the answer to all problems.

Well said.

 

[captaingoon]

My son is 13 and just earned his Black Belt in Kempo. He is now in Krav Magra classes. I am a Blue Belt in Brazilian JiuJitsu under Salo Rebero. He kicks my *** with Krav!! It is truly the only street fighting discipline.

 

[Rastoff]

Your gun isn't the answer to all problems.

Sadly, most who carry think it is.

 

[ClayCow]

Sadly, most who carry think it is.

I get absolutely irritated by people who want to use a gun as a sole means of protection. It should be a last resort and you youraelf should be jn some kind of shape. Ive brought it up in many forums that there are other ways to defend yourself, people just get pissed atme.

 

[Rastoff]

It's a simple truism that the vast majority of people in the US are not in decent shape. I would be lying if I said I were. After I broke my femur I've had trouble getting back into any kind of regimen.

Col. Jeff Cooper said, "Owning a gun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician." The over arching thought with this is, if you can't effectively use your gun, it's little more than a hunk of metal.

"Effective" is not well defined when it comes to using a gun. My definition for effective is not going to be the same as someone else. I think of times combined with accuracy, but most just think about accuracy.

Look at this video:


Here is an incident where a guy had a gun with him and was attacked. By all rights the black guy could have shot the white haired guy. It would have been a justifiable defense. However, notice that he had no chance to get his gun out and wasn't prepared to fight this guy off in any way. Explain to me how having a gun made him safe?

 

[jlrhiner]

I carry a gun because I'm too crippled up to beat someone to death with my bare hands. Hand to hand combat is best left to the young and eager. A CPO at Coronado once told me "An armed man will kill an un-armed man with monotonous regularity".

 

[ClayCow]

I carry a gun because I'm too crippled up to beat someone to death with my bare hands. Hand to hand combat is best left to the young and eager. A CPO at Coronado once told me "An armed man will kill an un-armed man with monotonous regularity".

Not. too true. If youre crippled with a gun. I can guaranty ill get you over me if im unarmed. It all depebds on the situation ofncourse as people when looking at a group dont often go after the crippled.

 

[jlrhiner]

Not. too true. If youre crippled with a gun. I can guaranty ill get you over me if im unarmed. It all depebds on the situation ofncourse as people when looking at a group dont often go after the crippled.

The stupidity of youth amazes me.

 

[ClayCow]

The stupidity of youth amazes me.

And the stupidity of the people who think the gun is end all amazes me.

 

[jlrhiner]

And the stupidity of the people who think the gun is end all amazes me.

I'm sorry to interrupt your self aggrandizement, but the gun is a tool. Like the knife, it has it's place. For you to make the assumption that because someone is older, they are fruit for your picking, will likely get you killed. I'm not sure where your arrogance comes from, your profile shows no military or law enforcement experience. Just where and how did you become such a great fighter that you fear no man with a weapon?

 

[e3mrk]

I remember Our Hand to Hand Combat instructor in the Corp's Teaching Us that in a hand to hand situation You use anything You can as a weapon. Sticks,Broken Glass,Bottles and even Dirt will work in a Pinch.
We called it Street Karate because it looked more like Street Fighting than a Martial Art.
But I still choose a Gun over physical contact due to getting older I don't heal as fast as I used to,But it's still comforting to know I can still defend Myself if needed.

 

[Rastoff]

I'm sorry to interrupt your self aggrandizement, but the gun is a tool.

Jim, I think we're running into what I call "internet filtering" and maybe you two are talking about the same thing.

I believe that ClayCow is saying that there are more tools available than just a gun. I don't think he's saying that if you're not a martial artist you're an idiot.

We all have limitations. Age is certainly a factor as is condition, mental focus, awareness and a host of other things. I have recently broken my femur. This injury has left me unable to do what I was able to do just two years ago. That doesn't mean that I'm only left with a gun to defend myself. I can still use my wits and the things around me. I may not be able to run, but my gun is not the only tool in my bag.

In your case, there may be some physical limitations, but you are not bed ridden. It is wise to look into other potential means of defense. The guy in the video I posted had a gun and wasn't able to wrestle with his attacker. In that case a gun wasn't enough to help him. He had other tools available, but didn't use any of them. No, he can't go four rounds with an MMA fighter, but there are still things he could do if he knew them. The same holds true for you.

 

[bigjohn4]

Isn't the Walmart video footage of a good samaritan attacking a person with a CCW? I remember hearing about this a few months ago, just curious!

 

[Biggfoot44]

As noted multiple times , some degree of hand to hand ability is important. If only to create distance to access gun. ( Not to mention at least the basics of retention.

The particular style is less important than the attitude and outlook of the instructor. Even thought it isn't a Martial Art per se , an instructor with background of teaching DT can impart practical skills quickly.

Empty hand isn't first choice. Or second choice. And I could argue between empty hand and beating feet for third choice. But you can't predict in advance when you'll need it. And when you need it , you'll really need it , right now.

 

[Biggfoot44]

And Rastoff left out the fourth catagory of Martial Arts Classes : Those primarily oriented twords physical fitness and cardio.

 

[Rastoff]

And Rastoff left out the fourth catagory of Martial Arts Classes : Those primarily oriented twords physical fitness and cardio.

Those would fit into the "Sport" category.

 

[Old TexMex]

Willingness is the key.
No tool will work on its own.
A man has to be more than able, he has to be willing to apply violence.

For the "artists":
Witness the number of "out of shape, untrained in the ARTS" murderers in prison. More than a few of them have murdered other murderers.

Walking for days at a time in the brush country and desert will get you in shape.

None of it is very useful if you aren't willing to survive, and able to hit your target (with whatever your tool might be).