Retaliation

[40cal]

Remember the Alamo

I thought San Antonio was the liberal mecca of Texas. Peace, love and the scent of patchouli fill the air. How did an act of violence occur*?

*sarcasm

You're thinking of Austin. I work the firearms counter at a "big box" store here in San Antonio. Trust me, San Antonio is full of conservatives that are well armed

Austin for sure. It is another world up in Austin!
Around the Alamo things have always been a "bit" different. cant count on a rescue from outside.

 

[JJEH]

I don't wanna talk this to death, because stuff like this happens more than we propably know.

Also, of course is it's possible that the homeowner was into drugs. That people call him "a quiet guy" or whatsoever doesn't count. That is called a 2nd life.

Fletcher said neighbors are trying to be more aware of unusual people or vehicles in the neighborhood.

This you should do anyways...

 

[Fkimble]

Someone breaks into my home at 5am armed, my mind says it's me and my family OR them. And I really don't want it to be me and my family. And any thoughts of the fear of retaliation won't come until after the immediate problem has been concluded.

 

[Seneca]

Much speculation has been put forth on this thread about the circumstances surrounding this incident,( i.e., typical home invasion vs. a possible deliberate hit, " nice, quiet guy" vs. a shady character with a heretofore unknown " other life" ), but the bottom line is, he took a stand to defend his life and, although wounded, came out on the winning end of things. This is the lesson we hope the common folk ( meaning people who don't participate in this Forum because we already are the educated and aware ) take away from this type of incident.
As a non - LEO, I appreciate those on this Forum who wear the badge and still suppport us civilians in our right to self defense, knowing that they can't be everywhere to protect us every single minute of every day.
It is my unscientific observation that in the last 30 or so years, bad guys are no longer content with just taking your stuff, but want to leave no witnesses behind while doing so. This is why I am armed at all times and will defend, to the best of my ability, me and my loved ones.

 

[oldman45]

All the above being mentioned, one must remember that in order to defend or protect, one must first be immediately ready and have the opportunity.

Many victims are blind sided and never see it coming. As an esteemed member here named Kanewpaddle recently brought out, it is a matter of situational awareness. We do not always have a choice of being a victim or not. The important thing is to always be alert for the worst in your surroundings, be observant for what should be seen and remain positive in your walk, attitude and appearance.

Remember, this is likely not your attacker's first time doing the crime but probably your first attack. He knows what he is doing, how far he is willing to take it and all you know is you are being attacked.

 

[cmort666]

Remember, this is likely not your attacker's first time doing the crime but probably your first attack. He knows what he is doing, how far he is willing to take it and all you know is you are being attacked.

That may or may not be.

What's FAR more likely is that you are the first one ready and willing to resist with deadly force.

Whether or not you're his first victim, you should have the force of arms and of will to be his LAST.

 

[Texas Solo]

but the bottom line is, he took a stand to defend his life and, although wounded, came out on the winning end of things. This is the lesson we hope the common folk ( meaning people who don't participate in this Forum because we already are the educated and aware ) take away from this type of incident.

Yessir, that's the bottom line, and probably why my gun sales soared the week after this happened. It's a good thing.

 

[oldman45]

That may or may not be.

What's FAR more likely is that you are the first one ready and willing to resist with deadly force.

Whether or not you're his first victim, you should have the force of arms and of will to be his LAST.

Cmort, I am not sure how it is in your part of the world but around here the media is always showing mugshots of those being sought in crimes. In short, the current crime is not their first crime. While I maintain the jails should have kept them when they first had them, the courts do no look at it that way. One friend of mine is a retired Judge and her husband is a retired high sheriff. Her business card said, "Husband jails them, I bail them."

Pick up any report of assaults and there is a 99.9% chance it was not their first offense. Usually the first offense is petty theft from stores or breaking into cars or homes. Most have served time before starting to attack and rob adults old enough to carry firearms. A lot of their training is obtained from others in the sytem with them. Another thing is criminals tend to become more violent with their crimes as time goes on.

 

[Chuck1217]

Wish we could post this entire conversation in every newspaper in the country. I believe it would encourage a lot of folks to get armed and trained- and it just might open the eyes of a lot of Brady-Bunch members. God bless America.

 

[cmort666]

Most have served time before starting to attack and rob adults old enough to carry firearms.

"Old enough to carry firearms" doesn't mean that the victim DOES.

My mother is MORE than old enough to carry a firearm. She CAN'T. She lives in Illinois. She's got a legal DUTY to be a victim.

My cousin is MORE than old enough to carry a firearm. She CAN'T. She lives in Chicago. She's hyper-religious. She WOULDN'T if she could. She thinks she's got a moral DUTY to be a victim if the alternative is maiming or killing an assailant.

Just because somebody's old enough to carry doesn't mean that they can... or would.

 

[oldman45]

"Old enough to carry firearms" doesn't mean that the victim DOES.

My mother is MORE than old enough to carry a firearm. She CAN'T. She lives in Illinois. She's got a legal DUTY to be a victim.

My cousin is MORE than old enough to carry a firearm. She CAN'T. She lives in Chicago. She's hyper-religious. She WOULDN'T if she could. She thinks she's got a moral DUTY to be a victim if the alternative is maiming or killing an assailant.

Just because somebody's old enough to carry doesn't mean that they can... or would.

There is no law requiring carry by civilians. It is up to the individual. Being religious has nothing to do with carry. My neighbor is pastor of one of the largest churches in the area (400+ active members) and he carries, collects and studies firearms. And not making this a religious thread, the Bible says for us to be armed at all cost.

As to the law not allowing carry, that is a personal decision. You live under the law of the land or move to a different land.

Few young perps begin their occupation fo choice armed. That comes during the late teens when they begin robbing convenience stores.

 

[venomballistics]

Bible ... read it, read it again .. and pondered as i read some more.
I play guitar in the choir which makes me a pistol packin choir boy.
As I understand it, armament is encouraged for those who have the what were for to do so, tempered by the word to employ it correctly.
If being in a location makes it their duty to be a victim it might be your duty to relocate em.

 

[cmort666]

Being religious has nothing to do with carry.

It does for her.

 

[cmort666]

If being in a location makes it their duty to be a victim it might be your duty to relocate em.

It's their choice, not my duty.

They both CHOOSE to live in Illinois, although Chicago got to be too much even for my mother, who moved to the suburbs. A few miles down the road and she'd be in the United States, in Indiana.

My cousin doesn't understand why I don't want to live in Chicago. Of course she doesn't understand why I'm not religious either. We're both free to make our choices.

I have to respect their right to choose.

I don't have to respect the choice.

 

[oldman45]

It's their choice, not my duty.

They both CHOOSE to live in Illinois, although Chicago got to be too much even for my mother, who moved to the suburbs. A few miles down the road and she'd be in the United States, in Indiana.

My cousin doesn't understand why I don't want to live in Chicago. Of course she doesn't understand why I'm not religious either. We're both free to make our choices.

I have to respect their right to choose.

I don't have to respect the choice.

As with many, they made their choice for what they consider to be best for them. As with most, they know life in one area and that is their comfort zone.

I will not live where I cannot own or carry guns. It is my choice. I left a well paying job once because I felt the area going anti gun in their laws so I relocated. I turned down a great position with a State agency elsewhere because it was a restrictive state. Had I not known anything else, I would have been happy. I enjoy my freedoms. Sadly many do not.

 

[papajohn428]

I've lived in the PRI (People's Republik of Illinois) several times, both as a badge guy and as a civilian. But when Missouri passed their Concealed Carry Law in 2004, I told my girlfriend that she was more than welcome to join me, because I was moving to Missouri. I've never regretted that decision, and when I travel to Chicago twice a year to visit relatives, I feel like I'm entering a police state as soon as I cross the river from Missouri.

It's my choice to be armed anytime I'm out of bed. I can't imagine living in a place that wouldn't recognise that right.

 

[oldman45]

I've lived in the PRI (People's Republik of Illinois) several times, both as a badge guy and as a civilian. But when Missouri passed their Concealed Carry Law in 2004, I told my girlfriend that she was more than welcome to join me, because I was moving to Missouri. I've never regretted that decision, and when I travel to Chicago twice a year to visit relatives, I feel like I'm entering a police state as soon as I cross the river from Missouri.

It's my choice to be armed anytime I'm out of bed. I can't imagine living in a place that wouldn't recognise that right.

So did the girlfriend move to MO as well? If so, does she regret the decision?

 

[papajohn428]

She did not, but we remain friends. She didn't want to move away from her family, and I understood, even if it was only a matter of 30 miles.

She wanted kids, I already had four, and I told her to go find a man to give her babies and spoil her. She now has a bouncing 16-month old boy, and is doing fine being The Mom, instead of The Cool Aunt.

BTW.........I had 27 years on her, and was actually older than her mother, who thought the relationship was a great idea. I have now discovered the joy of grandkids, and we're BOTH happy!

She still lives in the PRI, I remain in Missouri, and will never go back. Not even for love.

 

[plbrgene]

Take a look back to events prior to, durning and after 911.
Before 911 if a plane was hijacked, everyone told you to just do nothing and you would be all-right. Durning 911, if some brave souls had done nothing, we would have had to clean up a big mess at the capitol building or the white house. They gave their all to protect others by standing up to them and bringing that plane down in rural Pennsylvania. After 911, people now know they can and have been used as pawns in a terrorist plot to end this country as we know it.
As for me I will do everything in my power to stop stuff like this from continuing. If that means a few dirtbags/gang banger/drug-lords/terrorist get planted 6 feet under, so be it, they deserve nothing better. I will protect my family, home, self and possessions with any means I have to. Just let us Illinoisans have the right to concealed carry.

 

[TexasArmed]

...As for me I will do everything in my power to stop stuff like this from continuing. If that means a few dirtbags/gang banger/drug-lords/terrorist get planted 6 feet under, so be it, they deserve nothing better. I will protect my family, home, self and possessions with any means I have to. Just let us Illinoisans have the right to concealed carry.

I recognize there are good people in Chicago & Il, but I rule out every traveling to a state that does not recognize my Texas CHL.
As for gangbangers, etc, I live in a rough neighborhood. I have not felt the need yet to buy a shotgun, or an AR. I have a CA 44 Spl, a S&W 625-5 Long Colt 45, another S&W 38 Spl and a Taurus 851 38 Spl. I figure that is enought to stop an intruder. If it gets to a point that it is not, or there are drive by shootings, then I will get a 12 G and an Assault rifle if needed. I am always armed even at home, and sleep with 3 handguns on my night stand. I determined when I decided to get my CHL, that I will not be a willing victim. And I will spend however much I have to spend to stay as well armed as the bad guys are. If home invasions start happening with assault rifles then I will arm myself with those too.