Shield out of battery - time to revisit this issue

[Lost Lake]

Kimber Ultra Carry? I don't think so. I like Kimber rifles, not so much their handguns.

I carry a 3913 or a 4513TSW right now. You really can't get a lot better carry guns than those and neither fail to return to battery which makes me feel better.

No time to grind on the Shield today, off to the store to buy a gift for my daughter.

 

[Storm40]

Storm40, thank you for your service! I'm assuming you weren't using a M&P Shield for the entire 24 years of police work.

I'll also assume you never pushed a Shield into someone's belly while they were on top of you and pulled the trigger. The fact is, if you did, there's a very real chance it would go OOB and not fire. Even worse when you cleared the bad guy it could remain OOB and not fire. My 3913 would return to battery every time. In that case I would prefer my 3913.

To keep on topic, this is my concern, if you don't share it please don't try to tell me I'm wrong to be concerned. I don't want a gun that can easily be bumped out of battery to stay out of battery. That's pretty simple. That's my concern. Even if the chance is 1 in 10,000 i don't want to take the chance!

I called S&W and they are sending a shipping label. That leaves me just a coupe days to try polishing more parts. I think I'll mark the recoil spring to see if they change that. Anything else i could mark? Maybe the extractor?

I appreciate your thank you. I am simply stating that while I did not use a Shield, I did start out with a S&W model 10 and then a Glock which did exhibit the OOB condition occasionally. Since our training calls for always knowing the condition of your weapon, holstering was done with the thumb riding on the back of the slide or hammer as the case may be ensuring that weapon was always in battery or ensuring we were not holstering a cocked revolver. As I mentioned before, thankfully, it never became a liability in the field. My Shield no longer stays OOB with the 8 round magazine. It stopped at the 400 round mark. It still happens with the 7 rounder but has never happened during drills including holstering and drawing from one.

I would never tell you not to be concerned as I understand the need to trust a sidearm. I really hope you get it resolved.

I also would like to thank you, Sir, for your service to our Country

Storm

 

[18DAI]

Just cause one or two LE say its not an issue to THEM, or giggles at a gunboard thread, doesn't mean its not an issue to all of "us". "We" don't call J-frame BUGs "get off me guns" for no reason. Pretty broad brush to suggest otherwise based on some hearsay.

In training I was taught to shove a J-frame revolver into a BG for a contact shot, and to hold a semi auto close in on the hip and point and squeeze. Why? So the semi auto wouldn't be forced out of battery in a contact shot and prevented from firing. And firing a shot into him while being attacked is pretty high on MY list of concerns.

If your a shield fan and don't find this flaw to be an issue, good for you. As for me, not one of my twenty three semi auto's fails to return to battery - under ANY conditions. Not my S&W's, not my Colts, not my HK's - not even my *** Kimber.

If they didn't return to battery unassisted, I'd get them repaired or I'd dump them and buy one that did function properly.

 

[Lost Lake]

I received an email from S&W but the attached shipping label is a big question mark. That usually means the format isn't supported or there was a transmission glitch. At my internet speeds this is common...

So I asked S&W to resend the email and am now caught in the robo-mail system.

One question for you who have returned guns: S&W asks that I return it in the factory box and I'll assume that isn't real smart as the factory box could someday be valuable.

Do you just ship it in a plain cardboard box? With no mags?

 

[Turnedforgood]

I received an email from S&W but the attached shipping label is a big question mark. That usually means the format isn't supported or there was a transmission glitch. At my internet speeds this is common...

So I asked S&W to resend the email and am now caught in the robo-mail system.

One question for you who have returned guns: S&W asks that I return it in the factory box and I'll assume that isn't real smart as the factory box could someday be valuable.

Do you just ship it in a plain cardboard box? With no mags?

I put mine in the factory box inside another box. Here is the instructions that I received in email: "Put your firearm in the factory box or a sturdy cardboard box with cushioning. Remove all other items & accessories from the box that are not needed for repair." I did not include my magazines as they were not connected to the problem that I had.

 

[Lost Lake]

Did you get your original box back?

 

[Turnedforgood]

Did you get your original box back?

I'm sure I will, but I just sent it out yesterday.

 

[robkarrob]

Lost Lake

FedEx has a small shipping box, just slightly wider than the Shield, which was around 10 X 8 X 1". I returned my Shield in that box and stuffed some newspaper in to keep if from sliding around. It got to S&W fine and Smith returned the gun in a plain brown box, the same size and construction as the original factory box. This way you retain the factory box and it can't get lost or damaged.

Bob

 

[JNewell]

The key word is "or."

I put mine in the factory box inside another box. Here is the instructions that I received in email: "Put your firearm in the factory box or a sturdy cardboard box with cushioning. Remove all other items & accessories from the box that are not needed for repair." I did not include my magazines as they were not connected to the problem that I had.

 

[supplier]

Update

Folks, if anyone still interesting i reduced the priced on my Shield 9mm package. it's in clissifieds. Only trying to recover money i put in her and not the penny more. Trying to avoid of going on gun show this Sunday if i can sell it on the internet. - all extras are new in factory packages.

 

[Handgunner50]

I just got my shield earlier this week and have not even shot it yet. I've read most of the posts concerning it failing to return to battery after doing a press check. IMHO there has been a lot of discussion but not much in solutions offered. I did some testing and what I observed with mine is it will return to battery with a chambered round and the magazine removed or with an empty magazine inserted. It will not return to battery with a chambered round and the magazine inserted with a round in it. My question is why does the round in the magazine prevent it from returning to battery? If that were figured out it seems to me the problem goes away. Maybe I'm being to simplistic.

 

[Badquaker]

The round in the mag drags on the bottom of the slide.

 

[greybeard43]

Buy a damn revolver. Nit picking on a non-problem seems to be a pastime on the internet. Also these internet safety freaks get on my nerves. I know of no-one who has been shot through their monitor watching a gun video. You shouldn't have any problem selling your shield for a profit.

 

[Vespers]

Buy a damn revolver. Nit picking on a non-problem seems to be a pastime on the internet. Also these internet safety freaks get on my nerves. I know of no-one who has been shot through their monitor watching a gun video. You shouldn't have any problem selling your shield for a profit.

Yes, this whole thread has gotten really boring !!!

 

[Handgunner50]

Yes, I can see that the rib on the bottom of the slide is rubbing on the bullet in the magazine. Is it supposed to do that or is there a clearance problem? My Glock or my Sig's don't rub like this.

I'm not wanting to reopen a "can of worms" here. I am looking for an honest answer.

 

[Lost Lake]

Handgunner,

We're working on finding the solution. My Shield is at S&W now, I'll see what they did to it when it is returned.

This thread has become clouded a bit by people who feel a gun is okay to stay out of battery, then those people try to push their thoughts on others.

I won't carry a gun that stays out of battery when bumped. I also won't carry a gun that has a safety that is defective or moves to 'on' by itself. Or a gun that takes two primer strikes to fire sometimes.

For me, I want a gun that is 100% reliable, bumped or not.

If my Shield comes back and still stays OOB, it will be for sale. It's just not that big of a deal to me.

Now on a different note, I just got my new AR15 and it hangs out of battery BAD! Even without a shell in it. That doesn't bother me a bit, because it just isn't feasible that it would get bumped OOB when the bolt is enclosed.

There's a big difference.

 

[JNewell]

The AR hangs OOB when gently closed, or when you trip the bolt release? You probably know there's a world of difference, but many reading this thread may not.

Handgunner,

We're working on finding the solution. My Shield is at S&W now, I'll see what they did to it when it is returned.

This thread has become clouded a bit by people who feel a gun is okay to stay out of battery, then those people try to push their thoughts on others.

I won't carry a gun that stays out of battery when bumped. I also won't carry a gun that has a safety that is defective or moves to 'on' by itself. Or a gun that takes two primer strikes to fire sometimes.

For me, I want a gun that is 100% reliable, bumped or not.

If my Shield comes back and still stays OOB, it will be for sale. It's just not that big of a deal to me.

Now on a different note, I just got my new AR15 and it hangs out of battery BAD! Even without a shell in it. That doesn't bother me a bit, because it just isn't feasible that it would get bumped OOB when the bolt is enclosed.

There's a big difference.

 

[Lost Lake]

The AR hangs OOB when gently closed, or when you trip the bolt release? You probably know there's a world of difference, but many reading this thread may not.

Sorry. The AR hangs when the bolt is held back. Heck it stays all the way open if I slowly let it go from full lock back. Won't even strip a shell.

But that's no biggie. I don't carry my AR in a coat pocket or expect I could hit the locked bolt out of battery by dropping it or bumping it.

 

[feelinlucky]

If you bump the butt of an M16 with a full magazine on the ground, it will hang out of battery.

 

[feelinlucky]

This thread has become clouded a bit by people who feel a gun is not okay to stay out of battery, then those people try to push their thoughts on others.