Shooting at Conn. Elementary School

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Report is that the Ct shooter was autistic, somewheres on the Asberger spectrum.

Loughner, who shot Congresswoman Giffords and others, the Colorado theater shooter, and now Ct. All diagnosed with mental illness or disabilities, but allowed to walk among us.

Aspergers isnt exactly a disability. its sort of a trade off.
they generally have little to no social skills yet, have IQ's somewhere in the stratosphere.
Normally rules are their world, to which they adhere stringently.
At some point, this one came to see everyone else as Soylent Green and conjured a new rule in which to deviate from his stringent protocol on an exception.
I know one such kid, he's all of 8 years old, and has composed what is, at least, (and a good bit more) the framework of a symphony.
 
Horrible

For the poster who said things lime this didnt happen in the 50s.

In 1764 4 Indians walked into a school killed the schoolmaster and 9 children. What is now Greencastle Pa.

1927 Bath Mich. 45 killed 38 were school children when a disgruntled employee set of home made bombs.

Its not about liberals or conservatives or video gamers or the era. There have been evil people throughout history and will continue.

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I didn't say it didn't happen - I meant we didn't have this where a new one happens every other week and the media gives it 24 hour coverage and gives the next nutball the idea that it's something he should do, too.

And that you had to go back to 1764 and use a frontier Indian massacre and a case from 1927 as your 'proof' that society hasn't fallen like a rock in a rain barrel and getting progressively worse is pathetically weak.
 
The President took no questions about assault weapons and legislation. He spoke as a father, and forced back tears as he spoke. That Fox would report otherwise is truly sickening. They are the ones who couldn't wait for the end of the day before spinning up their agenda.


Let's skip the politics and the political observations on this one. Both sides, tell it to your dog if you can't hold it in.
 
There has never been easy solutions to a problem like this but we all have opinions. Why can banks afford to pay an armed guard all day but not schools.
My wife has been in the education business for many years, first a teacher then a principle and now a superintendant.
My thought is to make the principal or vice principal armed and trained in self defense as a job requirement. My wife agrees.
 
Prayers prayers and more prayers. Are there enough at times like this? Is it even possible?
Families who have lost children, maybe multiple children. We have a dead husband, wife, and son apparently, no doubt with a family. We have the cops, EMS providers, and other first responders-some likely who will never be able to recover from what they saw today.
An entire small town, from what I see for demographics online, I would venture a guess that pretty much every soul in the town will know either a victim or the family of at least 1of them.

Yes the grabbers will come, can you blame them really? But thats for another day.
 
I understand the temptation to use such a tragedy for confirmation of one's own societal, political, religious, moral beliefs and notions, and to lash out at those who might not agree. But for today I think I'll just offer my prayers for the victims and leave it at that.
 
There has never been easy solutions to a problem like this but we all have opinions. Why can banks afford to pay an armed guard all day but not schools.
My wife has been in the education business for many years, first a teacher then a principle and now a superintendant.
My thought is to make the principal or vice principal armed and trained in self defense as a job requirement. My wife agrees.

Not everyone is capable of it mentally. I think you're close to one possible means by which to try and stop these attacks. It should not be up to just one person though. According to the press reports earlier today, the principal was the first one shot this morning.
 
It's a generation of uncaring, unfeeling, sociopaths. Banning guns, "assault" rifles or other firearms is not the answer. The shooting in Colorado was in a "gun free" zone. In CT schools are "gun free" zones. We've got to stop this idiotic BS and allow people to defend themselves and not just serve as targets for any pschopath that comes along.
 
This is to true...

These things extract a heavy toll on those involved, and can for years to come.

I understand AMR ambulances were these to take away victims. Thats got to be tough, I cant quite think about doing it.

The police that need to document everything...

I know they are professionals, but they are people too.


My wife and I extend our heart felt sympathy to all of those involved in this tragic shooting, but not just those who have lost loved ones, but to all of the LEOs, EMTs, and especially to those in the CT. Medical Examiners System who must sort through the multiple victims.
God in his mercy, hear our prayers!

medxam
 
Here's another thought, you want to stop this ****?

Stop making these *** heroes. Stop posting their pictures, their names or anything about them or the event. These sickos think their actions will gain them fame, immortality and a place in history.....so far they are right. Stop it, instead pass a law and make it well known on the news that anyone who does this has any record of their existence stripped from public records/acknowledgement and their dead bodies will be fed to pigs.

I'll bet this **** drops 90% of the way off.
 
The Horror story from Connecticut.

I feel & pray for the victims ,families, & those children that survived this insane act. I do get the feeling that this will be used as a platform for gun control laws that only feed a political agenda. How sad is that? I think this quote from Mike Dowd sums up the real problem:
Here's what we should have learned by now: You do not mend broken people by trying to close off their access to guns, because they will get them online or use homemade bombs instead, and you do not deter other broken people by killing the ones who crack. If you were to ask Jared Loughner or James Holmes about Timothy McVeigh, your answer would probably be a blank stare.

Gun control is good for a lot of things. It will keep kids from killing themselves with their dads' unsecured guns. It will make it harder for drug dealers to kill each other, and it will save lives in ordinary robberies. It might even prevent wildfires in the west. But it will not stop the mentally ill from reaping carnage because the proximate cause of their carnage is disease, not hardware.

If you say that a ten-round clip would have limited the damage in Aurora, and you might be right. But you also might be wrong, because Holmes might have walked in instead with a bomb. Either way, here we are arguing about how to limit the damage broken people do rather than talking about how to mend broken people.

Of course nobody needs an AK-47 or a twenty-round clip, and the Supreme Court ruling making it more difficult for communities to restrict access to guns was deeply unsound. But before we get sidetracked for the umpteenth time talking about limiting access to certain calibers, or muzzle velocities, or clip size, we should perhaps start talking about how we can identify broken people—not just when they walk into a gun store to purchase a weapon (although certainly there as well), but also when they apply to college, or for a driver's license, or do anything else that might call them to the attention of people who are trained to look.

Prisons, homeless shelters, and highway underpasses are teeming with mentally ill human beings because our society thinks harsh punishment will solve most of the problem, and restrictions to the implements of crime will solve the rest. Wrong and wrong again. Nobody is responsible for the unspeakable tragedy James Holmes unleashed besides James Holmes. But all of us share responsibility for ignoring the James Holmeses of our world until they force us to learn their infamous names.
 
This is a case of the chickens coming home to roost. We have a whole generation who have been raised to believe that they are special just because they exist. They have never been told "NO".
I was seeing that in college in the '70s. They were spoiled kids of oil executives and other wealthy individuals. They'd been given an unlimited supply of THINGS and absolutely NO instruction on how to be a decent, civilized human being. The rest of the world existed to cater to their whims. They were every bit as much thugs as anybody I ever met on the south side of Chicago. The only difference was that daddy could buy them out of their self-inflicted messes, up to and including DUI and criminally negligent homicide.

I can't believe that they (the ones who didn't OD or get shot) raised their own kids any better.
 
Sip's point is well made. Yesterday I went to the "big city" (15,000) to go to Wal-Mart with the daughter in law and grandson. Got to remembering the Oregon mall shooter...and took the Sigma and a spare mag in lieu of the faithful little 442.

In awful times like these convenience may not be the main consideration anymore.

I once read something that put some perspective on things like this: the absolute worst thing in the world is the death of a child; the second worst is the loss of a love; third, my own death.

I believe it.
 
My first post was immediately after hearing of this horrible event. I wish to add my prayer for the victims, their families, and all affected by this unspeakable evil act.

For the children who were murdered, may God send angels to guide their souls to that place where innocents may dwell in Heaven.
 
I wonder how many anti gunners are almost happy just so they can try to prove their point. More people probably die from DUI related accidents. Well, DUI , there is a good cause to get behind. All the anti drug causes do about as good as a anti gun policy would.
Gl and have fun
 
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Given the recent shootings, sooner or later our "gun laws" are going to change. These changes may not make any difference, but that will not be the point. The "point" will be that the government isn't just standing there, it's "doing something". Anything. We might not agree, nor like the consequences, but we will have to live with them. It's only a matter of time.
 
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