SIG P320 Discharges?

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eclayton said:
For the low threat environment of most military pistol carry (if the threat is not low, they will pull out M4s every time), condition 3 carry is not a bad option, and will allow the armed forces to ride out the P320 fiasco while awaiting some technical modification to their pistols. There aren't many public statements coming from the military, and I have no inside perspective anymore, but it would surprise me if commanders all the way down to the O5 level aren't quietly directing condition 3 carry until this plays out.
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That is part of the reason why I never understood the whole MHS fiasco in the first place. In the grand scheme of things the handgun is relatively unimportant. Why end up spending nearly a billion dollars for a gun that is less durable, half as reliable in testing and now not nearly as monkey proof as what was already in service, especially considering there was a much cheaper refit and replacement offer.
 
CRT2 said:
... I have an M17, two P320-M17s, one X-Full and two X-Carry. If they are proven dangerous I will trash them...
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Ouch!

I have one, in M18 configuration. You could consider my approach: Clean them well, put them up, and shoot something else for the time being.
 
CRT2 said:
Typical derogatory comment. I don't know how rational, logical, thinking human beings can internalize opinions and pseudo-scientific drivel and accept it as fact. The FBI recanted on their testing and no one to date has replicated or demonstrated the "how" of the "uncommanded discharge".

Is the trigger too wide, is the trigger guard too thin, are there other mechanical issues - we don't know. Are the users at fault, again, we don't know, we weren't there. The Air Force death - was he and others directed to not use the manual safety - we don't know. I have an M17, two P320-M17s, one X-Full and two X-Carry. If they are proven dangerous I will trash them.
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And the typical emotional response.
 
CRT2 said:
Typical derogatory comment. I don't know how rational, logical, thinking human beings can internalize opinions and pseudo-scientific drivel and accept it as fact. The FBI recanted on their testing and no one to date has replicated or demonstrated the "how" of the "uncommanded discharge".

Is the trigger too wide, is the trigger guard too thin, are there other mechanical issues - we don't know. Are the users at fault, again, we don't know, we weren't there. The Air Force death - was he and others directed to not use the manual safety - we don't know. I have an M17, two P320-M17s, one X-Full and two X-Carry. If they are proven dangerous I will trash them.
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Aa an engineer who's testified successfully as an expert witness in some important product liability matters I believe that to be an excellent assessment and display of critical thinking; but unfortunately, you should expect to be ridiculed for posting it.

The less lay persons actually understand, the more they try to show others that they know.
 
CRT2 said:
Typical derogatory comment. I don't know how rational, logical, thinking human beings can internalize opinions and pseudo-scientific drivel and accept it as fact. The FBI recanted on their testing and no one to date has replicated or demonstrated the "how" of the "uncommanded discharge".

Is the trigger too wide, is the trigger guard too thin, are there other mechanical issues - we don't know. Are the users at fault, again, we don't know, we weren't there. The Air Force death - was he and others directed to not use the manual safety - we don't know. I have an M17, two P320-M17s, one X-Full and two X-Carry. If they are proven dangerous I will trash them.
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And yet, the inescapable fact remains that of all the available handgun options on the market, this is happening with only 1 specific brand and model, and it isn't even happening with that brand's other models. Why is that? I don't see where anyone is accepting anything as fact besides the fact that this is only happening with one specific pistol. The fact it is only happening with one specific pistol naturally prompts people to ask why and investigate the mechanics of the gun to seek answers. Isn't that exactly what should happen? Or should we just ignore the obvious correlation to a single common denomenator and write it off as the result of negligence... and accept that people are only being negligent with one model of pistol?
 
CRT2 said:
Is the trigger too wide, is the trigger guard too thin, are there other mechanical issues - we don't know. Are the users at fault, again, we don't know, we weren't there. The Air Force death - was he and others directed to not use the manual safety - we don't know. I have an M17, two P320-M17s, one X-Full and two X-Carry. If they are proven dangerous I will trash them.
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Some P320s are going off in the holster (that is captured on video) and the manufacturer cannot explain it; that is adequate "proof" that the pistol is unsafe. Forensic analysis may be important for salvaging the company's reputation, possibly for developing some modification to eliminate the fault, but is entirely superfluous to the immediate determination that the P320, today, is unsafe to carry with a round in the chamber.
 
Equus said:
A member for 12 years with 6 posts? And you choose to post ignoring all video evidence available on the +/- 120 incidents now known with this one particular handgun.
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So 50 plus years of experience don't count because I have only commented six times? Gee you have only been a member for two years? What would you know. lmao. It's because I have been following this for over a year that I commented.
 
Thaddeus B.: Interesting observation. Could it be that lawyers smelled "blood in the water" after a few of these claims and went into a feeding frenzy attacking a corporation with deep pockets? It would be interesting to see statistics as to unintentional discharges across all brands and models compared to this one.
 
There is a point where the quote "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts" is apropos.

Should you want to read an intellectual discussion about the P320 look at this on Sig Forum. Crayons are optional.

P320 Mega-Thread - Post all P320 design issue discussion here

 
CaliforniaKid said:
So 50 plus years of experience don't count because I have only commented six times? Gee you have only been a member for two years? What would you know. lmao. It's because I have been following this for over a year that I commented.
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Guess what, you aren't the only one with that amount of time invested in shooting. And I can actually build guns, and I mean build not just snap together.
 
GnarlsR2 said:
I am waiting for the inescapable facts regarding the proof that the P320 is a defective design or the causes of the spontaneous discharges are determined NOT related to the P320's design. Before then, for me, all the thoughts and opinions are just that.
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"A Settlement has been reached in a class action lawsuit about SIG Sauer's P320 pistol. If you own or owned a SIG Sauer P320 pistol, you may be eligible for benefits from the Settlement.

What is the lawsuit about?

A proposed nationwide Settlement has been preliminarily approved in a class action lawsuit involving SIG Sauer's P320 pistol. The class action lawsuit claims that P320 pistols manufactured before August 8, 2017, were defectively designed because the design allegedly allows the pistol to discharge where the pistol's slide and barrel are in an unlocked condition due to the absence of a mechanical disconnector. The lawsuit furthercontends that the value and utility of these firearms have been diminished as a result of these alleged defects.Defendant denies these allegations and any wrongdoing. The Parties agreed to resolve this matter before these issues were decided by the Court."


Settle before it gets to court. Seems like proof of a defective design to me.

But, what do I know?


Or this one

Jury finds SIG P320 'defectively designed' in Cambridge police lawsuit

www.unionleader.com

Jury finds SIG P320 'defectively designed' in Cambridge police lawsuit

A Cambridge police officer and his legal team convinced a federal jury that the SIG Sauer P320 pistol was defectively designed and caused him injury when it unintentionally discharged while
www.unionleader.com www.unionleader.com
 
Equus said:
Guess what, you aren't the only one with that amount of time invested in shooting. And I can actually build guns, and I mean build not just snap together.
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Since your such an expert and no one else's experience or education matters, give us one example of a P320 going off accidentally where the firearm was then tested and checked over and the condition that caused the nd was duplicated. And I don't want to see some grainy video with no context as proof. I remember now why I had only posted 6 times. And I'm sure we would all love to hear what you have "built"!
 
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CRT2 said:
The only factual evidence to date is the P320 fires only with trigger pull. Inserting screws into the action and partially pulling the trigger with your finger and twisting the slide to make it "fire" are not proof.
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Rocketmedic40 said:
Wont make any of my other pistols go off…
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If you own a Glock you'd be wrong.



And you own ANY of these you'd be wrong again. :)

 
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