SIG P320 Discharges?

[CaliforniaKid]

A member for 12 years with 6 posts? And you choose to post ignoring all video evidence available on the +/- 120 incidents now known with this one particular handgun.

So 50 plus years of experience don't count because I have only commented six times? Gee you have only been a member for two years? What would you know. lmao. It's because I have been following this for over a year that I commented.

 

[hdfinder47]

Thaddeus B.: Interesting observation. Could it be that lawyers smelled "blood in the water" after a few of these claims and went into a feeding frenzy attacking a corporation with deep pockets? It would be interesting to see statistics as to unintentional discharges across all brands and models compared to this one.

 

[Rocketmedic40]

The only factual evidence to date is the P320 fires only with trigger pull. Inserting screws into the action and partially pulling the trigger with your finger and twisting the slide to make it "fire" are not proof.

Wont make any of my other pistols go off…

 

[CRT2]

There is a point where the quote "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts" is apropos.

Should you want to read an intellectual discussion about the P320 look at this on Sig Forum. Crayons are optional.

P320 Mega-Thread - Post all P320 design issue discussion here

 

[Equus]

So 50 plus years of experience don't count because I have only commented six times? Gee you have only been a member for two years? What would you know. lmao. It's because I have been following this for over a year that I commented.

Guess what, you aren't the only one with that amount of time invested in shooting. And I can actually build guns, and I mean build not just snap together.

 

[Ματθιας]

I am waiting for the inescapable facts regarding the proof that the P320 is a defective design or the causes of the spontaneous discharges are determined NOT related to the P320's design. Before then, for me, all the thoughts and opinions are just that.

"A Settlement has been reached in a class action lawsuit about SIG Sauer's P320 pistol. If you own or owned a SIG Sauer P320 pistol, you may be eligible for benefits from the Settlement.

What is the lawsuit about?

A proposed nationwide Settlement has been preliminarily approved in a class action lawsuit involving SIG Sauer's P320 pistol. The class action lawsuit claims that P320 pistols manufactured before August 8, 2017, were defectively designed because the design allegedly allows the pistol to discharge where the pistol's slide and barrel are in an unlocked condition due to the absence of a mechanical disconnector. The lawsuit furthercontends that the value and utility of these firearms have been diminished as a result of these alleged defects.Defendant denies these allegations and any wrongdoing. The Parties agreed to resolve this matter before these issues were decided by the Court."

https://www.sigsauer.com/pub/media/sigsauer/resources/Short-Form-Agreement-Notice.pdf

Settle before it gets to court. Seems like proof of a defective design to me.

But, what do I know?


Or this one

Jury finds SIG P320 'defectively designed' in Cambridge police lawsuit

• By Jonathan Phelps Union Leader Staff
• Jul 31, 2025 Updated 1 hr ago

Jury finds SIG P320 'defectively designed' in Cambridge police lawsuit

A Cambridge police officer and his legal team convinced a federal jury that the SIG Sauer P320 pistol was defectively designed and caused him injury when it unintentionally discharged while

www.unionleader.com

 

[CaliforniaKid]

Guess what, you aren't the only one with that amount of time invested in shooting. And I can actually build guns, and I mean build not just snap together.

Since your such an expert and no one else's experience or education matters, give us one example of a P320 going off accidentally where the firearm was then tested and checked over and the condition that caused the nd was duplicated. And I don't want to see some grainy video with no context as proof. I remember now why I had only posted 6 times. And I'm sure we would all love to hear what you have "built"!

 

[Oldsalt66]

The only factual evidence to date is the P320 fires only with trigger pull. Inserting screws into the action and partially pulling the trigger with your finger and twisting the slide to make it "fire" are not proof.

Wont make any of my other pistols go off…

If you own a Glock you'd be wrong.



And you own ANY of these you'd be wrong again.

 

[petepeterson]

It's official....this forum has turned into the love child of AR15.com and Glocktalk.

 

[lightstar_actual]

Guess what, you aren't the only one with that amount of time invested in shooting. And I can actually build guns, and I mean build not just snap together.

 

[Oldsalt66]

It's official....this forum has turned into the love child of AR15.com and Glocktalk.

Add these fine names to that list as well:

Everytown for Gun Safety
Sandy Hook Promise
Brady: United Against Gun Violence
Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence
March for Our Lives Action Fund
Moms Demand Action
Brady Campaign to prevent gun violence
Violence Policy Center

 

[Onomea]

From the article linked above:

"...The lawsuit comes days after a U.S. Air Force Security Forces airman was killed in Wyoming while wearing his SIG Sauer M18 pistol, the military version of the P320...."

That makes more sense than the holstered gun was lying on the table when it went off and shot the airman.

 

[CaliforniaKid]

You do the math. One post every 2 years on average, and the latest is a blatant shill post.

Shill? If I were pushing a firearm it would probably be the Walther PDP FS SD Pro 5.1. So anyone that doesn't agree with you is... never mind, you wouldn't get it.

 

[biku324]

From my post #5 on this thread:

MODs - you're welcome to lock this thread!

 

[Doug M.]

The AF member did not remove the pistol from the holster, but apparently took the whole assembly off the belt and put it on the desk in the holster. (Hypothesis: to hit the head, during which a holstered firearm could be a nuisance.) When you have a death resulting from what appears to be a design flaw of some not yet known type, and multiple uncommanded discharges on video, ten the death, there is ay too much smoke for there not to be a problem. Sig has drawn a line they can't defend, blaming these events of user error, bad holsters, and the like - which are often the problem, but there is no evidence to support their position. From my experience, the answer is clear. People I have know and respected for years, with different but valid experience, have come to largely the same conclusion. IMHO, the AF General who deadlined this abomination should be recommending to SecDef that there be a DOD wide removal from service, with greatest possible alacrity.

 

[Doug M.]

Cooper taught that rule about triggers before there was a Glock.

 

[GnarlsR2]

From the little bit I know about courts, juries, and lawsuits, the design of the P320 still has not been verified defective.
Who on the jury determined the design is defective?

 

[Ματθιας]

From the little bit I know about courts, juries, and lawsuits, the design of the P320 still has not been verified defective.
Who on the jury determined the design is defective?

First, you say "proven" defective, now, you say "verified" defective.. Keep moving those goal posts.

Can you explain to us why you think Sig settled out of court over a defective design?

 

[Oldsalt66]

From the little bit I know about courts, juries, and lawsuits, the design of the P320 still has not been verified defective.
Who on the jury determined the design is defective?

No qualified, recognized technical expert has ever been able to duplicate the sort of failure alledged by plaintiffs under controlled, observable, laboratory test conditions.

However, one never knows what a jury will decide, which is why so many civil matters are settled before verdict.

BTW: in every alleged incident, it's been the claimed that the pistols discharged spontaneously with absolutely NO manipulation of the trigger; which renders every clickbaiting youtuber "test" in which trigger movement is involved to be moot and non sequitor to the actual matter under investigation.

 

[GnarlsR2]

First, you say "proven" defective, now, you say "verified" defective.. Keep moving those goal posts.

Can you explain to us why you think Sig settled out of court over a defective design?

Yes I can. If you are having trouble with my vocabulary, Google the two words for a legal definition.
And then Google conceptual semantics.

 

[9Mary7]

Took my Sig m11 to the range today. No uncommanded discharges and a lot of pierced paper.
Love my traditional double action metal guns.

 

[Thaddeus Beauregard]

Thaddeus B.: Interesting observation. Could it be that lawyers smelled "blood in the water" after a few of these claims and went into a feeding frenzy attacking a corporation with deep pockets? It would be interesting to see statistics as to unintentional discharges across all brands and models compared to this one.

Lawyers in a feeding frenzy is a given, however lawyers didn't create all the videos of these incidents; they can only react to them after they happen, and nobody is going to stage a firearm discharging and injuring or killing someone.

 

[Onomea]

The AF member did not remove the pistol from the holster, but apparently took the whole assembly off the belt and put it on the desk in the holster. ..

Doug, I have seen that reported as well but so far have not seen anything beyond hearsay (speculation?) being repeated. If this is what actually happened, the holstered gun sitting on a table suddenly went off, scary stuff indeed.

 

[Oldsalt66]

First, you say "proven" defective, now, you say "verified" defective.. Keep moving those goal posts.

Can you explain to us why you think Sig settled out of court over a defective design?

Can you explain this?

Product Liability & Mass Torts Digest

Colwell v. Sig Sauer, Inc., No. 21-cv-1200-BKS, 2024 WL 4216047, at *1 (N.D.N.Y. Sept. 17, 2024), is another recent instance of federal courts reinforcing their role as “gatekeepers” to ensure expert…

www.winston.com

Or this:

 

[GnarlsR2]

No qualified, recognized technical expert has ever been able to duplicate the sort of failure alledged by plaintiffs under controlled, observable, laboratory test conditions.

However, one never knows what a jury will decide, which is why so many civil matters are settled before verdict.

BTW: in every alleged incident, it's been the claime that the pistols discharged spontaneously with absolutely NO manipulation of the trigger; which renders every clickbaiting youtuber "test" in which trigger movement is involved to be moot and non sequitor to the actual matter under investigation.

My good friend and California defense attorney once told me that a wrongful conviction by a jury for a crime happens 1 out of every 4 convictions. He said 1 out of every 4 people are convicted for a crime they did not commit.

 

[CRT2]

And the typical emotional response.

Only a Marine could misinterpret my remark - I believe in facts not opinions and assumptions. The P320 fires with a trigger pull. As a member of Sig Forum pointed out: "Incidents of spontaneous discharge have allegedly occurred WITHOUT the trigger being depressed at all; any and all tests that depress the trigger in any manner are 100% non sequitor to the allegations."

 

[Ματθιας]

Yes I can. If you are having trouble with my vocabulary, Google the two words for a legal definition.
And then Google conceptual semantics.

They're your words not mine. You only changed them when I gave you what you asked for, "proof".

Can you explain this?

Product Liability & Mass Torts Digest

Colwell v. Sig Sauer, Inc., No. 21-cv-1200-BKS, 2024 WL 4216047, at *1 (N.D.N.Y. Sept. 17, 2024), is another recent instance of federal courts reinforcing their role as “gatekeepers” to ensure expert…

www.winston.com

Or this:

Explain what?

 

[Ματθιας]

If you all want to carry a firearm with lots and lots of documented safety problems while being banned and withdrawn from numerous organizations for being too dangerous to risk, have at it. That's on you all.

 

[GnarlsR2]

The comic relief in this thread is very refreshing.

 

[The Last Standing Knight]

I read a joke that SIG is an acronym for Self Inflicted Gunshot wound. Humorous in a dark sort of way to be sure. However, one must take into account that since the P320 has been introduced, problems of this kind have been pretty consistant and far, far too regular in occurance.

ANY handgun that because of its design has a flaw that will cause it to discharge as has been reported is unsafe and shouldn't be carried AT ALL. All of us who tote handguns are full aware (or should be) of the risks involved in doing so and that handguns are often carried in a position where they can be hit, banged against something, dropped (yeah, "just begin" as my old plt sgt used to say). This is day to day use and the last thing anyone of us wants is for that weapon to go BANG when climbing in/out of a patrol vehicle or bumping the table in the roll call room.

There is a problem with this weapon. Period. No excuses, no reason, no nothing. It is a design flaw that SIG can't or doesn't want to fix and haven't despite their insistence. Right now, the SIG P320 is not only military standard issue but also multiple police agencies big and small. This is going to change VERY quickly. Even if the problem was successfully corrected, the pistol itself will always carry the taint of its past. That's why ANY firearm should not leave the factory without complete and through testing. This weapon obviously didn't.

Like Ian "Gun Jesus" McCullum (sic) on his channel suggested...just discontinue the weapon. FWIW when our DPS wanted to replace their SIG 357's they went to S&W M&P's...and had so many problems they scrapped that idea and went with the P320. So SIG isn't the only company to lay a big steamy one, but in S&W's case, the malfunctions were pretty much jamming although I think S&W has long corrected these issues where SIG has apparently not.