Sigma:What's the truth???

Thanks for the input, roaddog28. I know the SW9M was a short run and has been discontinued for many years. Other posters have said that once S&W takes them in for repairs they keep them. However, I'm anxious to see what they say.

In reply to b1780...I can only say that one's experience with a Sigma must greatly depend on the model and series. The model I have and ones in the same series don't seem to garner much love. Especially from me. If S&W offers, I wouldn't mind accepting one of a later series to try out.
 
I heard back from S&W. They want to take it in, but they didn't say whether they'd fix it or what. I'm supposed to call them tomorrow for more info.
 
xr440dude said:
I heard back from S&W. They want to take it in, but they didn't say whether they'd fix it or what. I'm supposed to call them tomorrow for more info.
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They should very well upgrade you and do it right now once the pistol is in there hands.

If I look at the pic right and see it right. I see the break happening at the junction of a rolled pin. A roll pin in any syn / plastic or reinforced syn is a very bad move. There mode is to expand when the right harmonics or vibs are presented to them. If the compression happens in the center third of mount the outer two thirds could very well expand. Thus the failure. There best usage is when they are set in a hard steel or alloy. Set in soft alloy of syn materials they are a failure waiting to happen when hard loads are present. Solid pins with a slight press fit are much better. This is basic mech. engineering 101 in the real world. A person does not need a degree in engineering to know,,, thats bad.

You have a real case of expected life time warranty and a honest expectation of resolution. I hope you are offered a custom shop Sigma for your trouble. If that thing had failed in my wifes hands I would be on my way to factory pistol in tow. And not polite about it.........
 
I bought my Sigma SW40VE in 2004, as it was cheap, and it was a S&W. It was mostly becasue the price was right for me, so I figured that S&W was a good name, so it had to be good. I have put about 500 rounds down the pipe since then, with no issues at all. All stock, no enhancements. For the $299 I paid for it, I think it was/is well worth it. I am not disappointed.

I now want a M&P 9mm...something about it is just calling me. I think it wants to beat up my G19, lol!
 
This is my first post here. I joined mostly because of the Sigma information here.

I bought one a couple of weeks ago, and I must admit that I've had about a 50% malfunction rate through the first 100 rounds.

But 100% of those malfunctions came out of one box of my own reloads that I had loaded too lightly. They'd most likey have malfunctioned in any gun.

However with a box of American Eagle 115 gr FMJ ammo, and a half box of 147 gr WWB, HP, it's been perfect. I know that's not much of a test, but I haven't had it too long either.

This isn't my first rodeo. I had an XD-9 that I traded off. Nothing wrong with the XD, as a matter of fact I really liked it, but saw something I liked more. And my wife has a Glock 19 that I've shot a bit also. (I've also got a Hi-Point C-9, another gun that get's knocked on a lot.)

The Sigma does have a "worse" trigger than the XD and the Glock. But it doesn't take two men, a boy, and a small dog to pull it as some might have you believe. I've dry fired it a few hundred times and it seems to have smoothed out a lot. I'd say it's not as good as the G-19, and a LOT better than the Kel-Tec P-11, I used to have.
 
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Brought a used, but looked never shot, to range today. i was apprehensive about trigger and FTE/FTF from posts. Put a box of 50 through the gun and was impressed. Trigger was not bad at all, and accuracy was on the money. I will take advantage of their current rebate and buy a new model.
 
I have had my 9VE for several years, and it's been a winner for me. The grip feels natural in my hand, and having been a revolver guy for 30 years before getting my first semi-auto (not counting 2 Ruger Mk IIs) the trigger is just right for my purpose. It has been my primary carry weapon for over 2 years now.
P.S. if you polish the sides of the stainless slide it looks quite handsome.
 
I am at 1200 rds thru my 9VE, flawless. Have 200 rds of Winchester white box in the range bag for next trip. I am not a big fan of the .40 as I have seen sevral of my guns (and me) take a pounding from that hi pressure round.
Keep the comments coming and thanks!
 
New sigma owner

First post on forum, I have been lurking about reading and first
want to thank all the individuals who post on this forum for the vast knowledge of sigma and other pistols. I just bought a s&w
sw9e at a local gun show in Memphis in march. I LOVE it!!!!! The sigma is not my first pistol, a llama omni 9mm had that distinction. I think the sigma is a great pistol for the price no matter what your needs. Since march I have put 250 rounds down range without a single problem!!!! My wife who had never shot a pistol before came along as well as her friend who brought her new ruger .380 lcp. My wife first shot my sigma after a short how to and safety instructions. Remember she has never shot a pistol before I loaded two 10 rd mags for her and told her to go at it. At fifteen feet she put all twenty shots on the paper!!!!:D And not only that but she also had three double taps within the center black!!! ( I'll post pics as soon as I can get to my computer) but as for the trigger it's not bad can't really complain with a great price tag like 279.00 plus rebate I'll take the two 16 rd mags:) I mean if my short 4'11" wife can handle the pull a grown man should be able to. Well I wanted to make my first post and say hello.
Like I said been reading alot here and happy to find folks who appreciate the sigma for what it is a good looking, reliable weapon. More to come thanks to a great community of owners
 
medic23, welcome to the forum! We're glad to have you!

Glad you and your wife like the sigma.

Mine rocks! I may have to get another, because my daughter thinks it's hers. LOL!

Lee
 
medic23 said:
First post on forum, I have been lurking about reading and first
want to thank all the individuals who post on this forum for the vast knowledge of sigma and other pistols. I just bought a s&w
sw9e at a local gun show in Memphis in march. I LOVE it!!!!! The sigma is not my first pistol, a llama omni 9mm had that distinction. I think the sigma is a great pistol for the price no matter what your needs. Since march I have put 250 rounds down range without a single problem!!!! My wife who had never shot a pistol before came along as well as her friend who brought her new ruger .380 lcp. My wife first shot my sigma after a short how to and safety instructions. Remember she has never shot a pistol before I loaded two 10 rd mags for her and told her to go at it. At fifteen feet she put all twenty shots on the paper!!!!:D And not only that but she also had three double taps within the center black!!! ( I'll post pics as soon as I can get to my computer) but as for the trigger it's not bad can't really complain with a great price tag like 279.00 plus rebate I'll take the two 16 rd mags:) I mean if my short 4'11" wife can handle the pull a grown man should be able to. Well I wanted to make my first post and say hello.
Like I said been reading alot here and happy to find folks who appreciate the sigma for what it is a good looking, reliable weapon. More to come thanks to a great community of owners
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I am a 63 year old who also loves my Sigma SW9VE as it comes out of the box. The best part of your whole post was, "I mean if my short 4'11" wife can handle the pull a grown man should be able to." That one statement says a lot about all the ways all the young bucks here are always trying to ruduce the trigger pull. "If you have it, learn to shoot it. S&W built it that way for a purpose." I shoot very accurate with mine. Don't let a 4'11" wife beat you young bucks to the draw.:p

Welcome medic23
 
Shipped my broken SW9M to Springfield on the company's dime today. Can't wait to find out what they want to do about it. It would be awesome if they just replaced it with a newer model, but that's kind of pie-in-the-sky!

I'll post again after I've heard from S&W.
 
Yup,My sigma is junk!!!

After 11,000 rounds, zero FTF,FTE, 15 different brands of ammo, and 4 inch groups at 25 yards. Its the biggest piece of crap I ever found. :cool::p
 
.357 mag said:
Yup,My sigma is junk!!!

After 11,000 rounds, zero FTF,FTE, 15 different brands of ammo, and 4 inch groups at 25 yards. Its the biggest piece of crap I ever found. :cool::p
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My Sigma is like yours. I ,,, darn it broke a extractor. Replaced it myself and it still digest any retail ammo I care to feed it. And it loves my reloads to the point of ballistic sanity.....
 
Okay, it happened. I'm pleased to report that S&W just called and while they can't repair my broken SW9M, they're replacing it with the new model 9MM Sigma. I can't wait to see how I like it.
 
Glad to hear this dude!

I hope you love it as much as I do mine!

Please keep us posted when you get it!

Lee
 
I'm excited. My 9VE came today. The first thing I did was break it down for a good look. It was immediately obvious that it was much higher in quality than the 9M that I sent in. And I LOVE how easy it is to take it apart as opposed to the 9M!

I like the 15+1 capacity and the adjustable sights, but I'll be looking for a different carry gun. The 9VE is a little larger than I like for concealed, but it'll be just fine for open carry in a hip holster. The 9M was just the right size to carry concealed.

In just the few times I had to pull the trigger for breakdown I can see it's a bit stiff, but I agree with TLG and Thunderhawk88 about using it as-is. I don't see a need for a super light pull on a carry pistol and I think it'll probably ease up a bit after a decent break-in period anyway.

Thanks for everyone's advice and input here. It helped a lot! I'll report back on my feelings about how it shoots after I've had a chance to go out.
 
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Forgot to ask...anyone have trouble with the 9VE not firing military ammo? My 9M wouldn't - just dimpled the primer a bit!

Anyway, I guess I'll find out when I go shootin'!
 
Just checking in on my original thread. Great comments! I am at 1700 rounds without a problem! Looking at SD9 tomorrow to see if any improvements. Have been dumping my TDA's Smith, Beretta, Sig as I get more enamored with the Sigma benefits (and piece of mind) for a carry piece.
 
I think the 'truth' about the VE's is that they are good, reliable pistols capable of excellent accuracy. The same trigger that makes them safe, for any same carry mode, makes them a little harder to shoot well.

This is of no consequence to a committed shooter. Uncommitted shooters will whine about how hard the VE's trigger is- instead of working to master it.

The SD's appear to be a refined version of the VE with a slightly lighter trigger, all black finish and the ability to fit M&P holsters. I think it will be a big seller and it compliments the S&W DAO line.
 
Sigma

Have a 40 caliber Sigma. Best feeling handgun I ever held ion my hands. Fit's like a glove. Shootts 3" groups at 25 yards all day long. Going to buy another one soon as a permanent car piece. Honestly when I am shooting I hardly notice the trigger.
 
They're grrrrrrrreeeeeeaaaaaaaat!

They do exactly what they are suppose to do over & over & over & over!

Great gun with a great price from a company with a great reputation!!
 
fastcars69 said:
Have a 40 caliber Sigma. Best feeling handgun I ever held ion my hands. Fit's like a glove. Shootts 3" groups at 25 yards all day long. Going to buy another one soon as a permanent car piece. Honestly when I am shooting I hardly notice the trigger.
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And that's the way it is; Friday, October 1st, 2010!
 
new owner of sigma 9mm just got back from the range. the sigma ate all 200 rounds of WWB without any problems firing at all. the only problems i saw were mag related, the slide would not lock back when using one of my mags because the feeder was getting stuck so it would not engage the lever. a few more range trips will fix that.

the gun shot beautiful the first 100 were going low and left but then i got use to the trigger. it is a long hard pull but not that bad, at this point im not even going to mess around with the springs. id rather have a firm trigger pull to prevent accidental discharges. if this was to be a carry gun i could see the need to mod the trigger though.

Side note the Kimber toting gun snob next to me had to pack it up early as he could not feed a single mag without have a FTE. the range master asked him to leave. The sigma may have a hard trigger but it will go bang when needed and that is what counts
 
cbr6864 said:
id rather have a firm trigger pull to prevent accidental discharges. if this was to be a carry gun i could see the need to mod the trigger though.
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What? Your logic has completely lost me.

You like the heavy trigger to prevent AD's, BUT!!!! If it's a carry gun you see the need to mod the trigger? huh?

Would you make it more likely to have an AD if it was a carry gun? Perhaps I'm reading this all wrong; if so, sorry but I don't get it at all.
 
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