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Maybe they will have a factory store.
Maybe they will have a factory store.
Smith & Wesson Moving HQ to Tennessee
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DWalt
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I lived in western Maryland for about 4 years in the late 1960s and early 1970s. At least in that part of the state, it was very gun-friendly, most everyone who lived there was a hunter and/or shooter. And there was no state income tax yet. Further, as there was no state beer tax then, beer was very cheap. From what I understand, things are vastly different there now.
They sure are. That's a big reason why I left 15 years ago.
cmj8591
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That's just not true. It's bad enough here without making stuff up.
I'm sure you're right in that there may not be a statute which codifies toy guns shooting rubber BB's, however you may not want to be the test case that gets stopped and searched with one in your coat pocket...
Unless of course you also have your Massachusetts CHL with you...
...Ben
cmj8591
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Still, there are other companies making stuff in MA. Then there is fishing and farming.
No more ship building in Quincy though.
My dad and my uncles raised their families building ships in Quincy! At one point there was 10000 people working there. Someone figured out that they could make a ton of money from the waterfront real estate and poof, they were gone. There will always be some manufacturing everywhere but it is just a shell of what it was here. The fishing fleet in New Bedford is about 20% of what it was just 30 years ago. Most of the farmers sold their property and became millionaires and now there are developments where there used to be corn fields. There are a few niche farms left but they get to be fewer every year. It's sad because it is a beautiful area. From where I live, I can drive an hour and be in the mountains or I can drive and hour in the other direction and be at the National Sea Shore.
There was something quaint about eating at the company cafeteria with the smell of cutting fluid wafting through the air!
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OTOH, until 2014 you did need a LTC or FID card to possess OC spray. Until the US Supreme Court stepped in a couple of years ago it was illegal to own a stun gun of any kind unless you were a police officer. You STILL need a LTC to buy one.
Only FFLs can sell either OC spray or stun guns. If it weren't for the fact that the FBI refused to process 4473s for non firearms, you'd need to do one of those to buy a stun gun.
Only FFLs can sell either OC spray or stun guns. If it weren't for the fact that the FBI refused to process 4473s for non firearms, you'd need to do one of those to buy a stun gun.
Are rifles, whether pellet or BB do not require a license. Walmart still sells them in the state.
OTOH, sling shots are illegal.
Go figure.
OTOH, sling shots are illegal.
Go figure.
I'm sure you're right in that there may not be a statute which codifies toy guns shooting rubber BB's, however you may not want to be the test case that gets stopped and searched with one in your coat pocket...
Unless of course you also have your Massachusetts CHL with you...
My father's business was up the hill from the shipyard. We used to watch the workers leave at the end of the day and it was like watching a river of cars at 3:30.
The business was directly across from the union hall on Quincy Ave.
What killed the shipyard was the decline of ship building in the US. That land is still zoned industrial, there are no apartments on the property. For a while it was used to store new cars before they went to the dealership.
The train still runs through the former yard delivering components to P&G.
OTOH, when my father died and my mother sold the land, it went to a developer who did put condos there.
The business was directly across from the union hall on Quincy Ave.
What killed the shipyard was the decline of ship building in the US. That land is still zoned industrial, there are no apartments on the property. For a while it was used to store new cars before they went to the dealership.
The train still runs through the former yard delivering components to P&G.
OTOH, when my father died and my mother sold the land, it went to a developer who did put condos there.
Long overdue move...
Way back when I was employed by S&W there began talks about relocating to some other state. Now, I was NOT a Decision Maker (I was the lowly Manager of Transportation and International Distribution), but I was asked about such matters as changes in transportation costs for our raw materials, and for our products, and potential costs and logistics related to a move.
Back in those days I did not have a computer to use, so the assignment was labor intensive. As I remember, I pointed out the cost of ceasing manufacturing during preparations for the move as well as during the move, plus the tremendous cost of removing, trucking and reinstalling all of the huge machinery in the plant. And, although it was not in my field of "expertise", I wondered about the task of teaching new employees how to operate that machinery and carefully assemble our fine product, since relocating the hundreds of employees we had at that time was not considered.
I'm retired now and still live in Massachusetts because I cannot afford to relocate, but I wonder what the impact might have been if I hadn't been such a defeatist...
Way back when I was employed by S&W there began talks about relocating to some other state. Now, I was NOT a Decision Maker (I was the lowly Manager of Transportation and International Distribution), but I was asked about such matters as changes in transportation costs for our raw materials, and for our products, and potential costs and logistics related to a move.
Back in those days I did not have a computer to use, so the assignment was labor intensive. As I remember, I pointed out the cost of ceasing manufacturing during preparations for the move as well as during the move, plus the tremendous cost of removing, trucking and reinstalling all of the huge machinery in the plant. And, although it was not in my field of "expertise", I wondered about the task of teaching new employees how to operate that machinery and carefully assemble our fine product, since relocating the hundreds of employees we had at that time was not considered.
I'm retired now and still live in Massachusetts because I cannot afford to relocate, but I wonder what the impact might have been if I hadn't been such a defeatist...
cmj8591
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I still remember that huge crane the had General Dynamics painted on it. I think it's gone now. And I remember the union hall. I haven't been up that way in years.
Besides the decline of shipbuilding, the state was represented by imbeciles who couldn't get any Navy contracts to keep the lights on. If memory serves, I remember reading that the Cashman Corp. bought the yard a while ago. I assume it was for residential development but I don't know for sure. I can't imagine Cashman going into the shipbuilding business.
"Goliath" as they called it. I think it was scrapped because no one wanted to buy it or had use for it. It was built specifically to lift the huge spherical LNG tanks for the six or so that they built. Those were the last ships built there. I think it actually closed in 1986.
Cashman used it to assemble a huge barge used to dredge Boston Harbor. It was also used as a staging area, I think.
Cashman Wraps Up Boston Harbor Phase II Dredging Nearly One Year Ahead Of Schedule - Jay Cashman, Inc.
I think that Phase iii is going to deepen the channel to 50 feet so the largest container ships can get into the terminal.
Boston isn't a major container terminal because there is no rail head there to move containers out. It all goes out by truck.
The Library of Congress has a few pictures of the shipyard in its hay day.
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Prints & Photographs Online Catalog (Library of Congress)
Cashman used it to assemble a huge barge used to dredge Boston Harbor. It was also used as a staging area, I think.
Cashman Wraps Up Boston Harbor Phase II Dredging Nearly One Year Ahead Of Schedule - Jay Cashman, Inc.
I think that Phase iii is going to deepen the channel to 50 feet so the largest container ships can get into the terminal.
Boston isn't a major container terminal because there is no rail head there to move containers out. It all goes out by truck.
The Library of Congress has a few pictures of the shipyard in its hay day.
Search Results: "Photograph: ma1198" -
Prints & Photographs Online Catalog (Library of Congress)
cmj8591
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Great pictures. They used to have open houses when the ships were done and my dad would take me. Very fond memory.
The whole problem with the port issue, other than the rail access, is that it's all controlled by MassPort. They are a corrupt, political, swamp. I'm sure that after they are done stealing from it, there won't be enough left to finish the project.
bigwheelzip
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A bit of good karma, ... when one door closes, another opens.
The Eastman Corporation which has a facility making automotive glass near S&W's Springfield plant, in adjoining Indian Orchard MA, has offered employment opportunities to the S&W employees that don't wish to make the move to TN.
Eastman Corporation to support laid off Smith & Wesson employees | WWLP
The Eastman Corporation which has a facility making automotive glass near S&W's Springfield plant, in adjoining Indian Orchard MA, has offered employment opportunities to the S&W employees that don't wish to make the move to TN.
Eastman Corporation to support laid off Smith & Wesson employees | WWLP
Green Frog
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All I can say is that a spokesman for the party in command in Virginia was on a talk show and bragged that they had done in four months what it had taken nearly twenty years to do in California... suggesting they were proud of this and wanted to turn Virginia into California East. If the Statewide elections here go any further toward the Left I may have to pack up and move to Tennessee or Ohio myself. I hope beagle or Dale53 can help me find a place!
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I lived in Maryland for about 20 years, until 2004. At the time I said that for an anti-gun state, the laws were pretty reasonable. Things went downhill very quickly after I left.
It’s clear from the posts that this relocation is not well understood . . .
.38SuperMan
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They never get the dialect right. Hollywood just can’t do it.
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A previous post asked if Tennessee would be stamped on the guns and whether the value of northern manufactured guns would go up.
Why should Tennessee be stamped on them? Beretta, Barret and several smaller makers stamp made in TN on theirs. We have some of the finest machinists in the world within a few miles. Just 25 miles away nuclear warheads are machined and built requiring precise tolerances not found in any other manufacturing process. Also I had client for many years Mahle Corp., a German company, who makes pistons. In a little town nearby they make Porsche pistons and heads and Ferrari formula 1 pistons. I think if we have people here that can machine formula 1 pistons and others that build nuclear warheads we certainly can make a decent AR or pistol. Think maybe?
Why should Tennessee be stamped on them? Beretta, Barret and several smaller makers stamp made in TN on theirs. We have some of the finest machinists in the world within a few miles. Just 25 miles away nuclear warheads are machined and built requiring precise tolerances not found in any other manufacturing process. Also I had client for many years Mahle Corp., a German company, who makes pistons. In a little town nearby they make Porsche pistons and heads and Ferrari formula 1 pistons. I think if we have people here that can machine formula 1 pistons and others that build nuclear warheads we certainly can make a decent AR or pistol. Think maybe?
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