Sporterized arms. What say you.

I wonder if these folks that get all upset about "sporterizing" military rifles feel the same way about civilian guns.

I sent a 94 Winchester 30/30 off and had it rebarreled to 38/55. My Model 28 has been converted to 38/40. My Ruger Bisley Blackhawks have been converted to the "Old Model" Colt-style action. Both my 19 and my HK PSP went to Robar and got nickel-tefloned.

Oh My Gawd!!! Have I bubbaed my guns?

I feel so ashamed.
 
I probley have had done at least 3 handguns and 3 rifles I can quickly think of. Probley a couple I am forgetting and owned several more that someone before me had done.
For good or bad we/me/them had our reasons when we did them. The very worst reason is to think you are going to come out ahead financially.
Any other reason can be argued by the one doing it. Would I do them again? No, only if I had money to burn and knew and accepted the fact that I am going to lose money on the deal. Now IF you want something to show your own individual idea`s and taste, can afford it, have at it!
 
Today in Sweden, a Husqvarna or CarlGustaf m96 is worth $0
Even in super condition, so why not cut one up as a sporter?

Thouse long military rifles are great shooters
but try sneaking trough bushes with them :rolleyes:

Made this one from a Husqvarna, great deer gun.
Was planing to make a silencer for it to.

Never ment to win any beauty contest, just take down game.

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That might be so at the moment but over here all us older guys have seen 1911`s, 1917s, and virtually most phased out military guns go cheap when we were kids and in later years go out of sight and just about unattainable. Maybe those guns will too?
 
About 15 to 20 years ago I found a Remington 722 that started life as a 300 Savage but it had been converted to .308 which was stamped over the 300 Savage on the barrel. I bought to make into a high power silhouette rifle. I unscrewed the factory barrel and screwed on a Remington 700 308 heavy varmint barrel. I bedded it into a 700 varmint stock and had my main silhouette rifle which I shot for many years. I knew it was an early rifle because the serial number was in the bolt raceway. I have since found that it is the earliest example of the short action 722 known to exist at this time. That does not mean that it is the first one made but it could be. If it were a pristine example I most likely would not have bought it. I did keep the original barrel and stock but it will never be a 300 Savage again. That was taken care of by someone else before I bought it.
 
I wouldn't cut up a full military example of anything to make into a 'sporter' as there are just too many already altered examples around to work on. From actions and bbl'd actions to rifles with cut down wood and drilled and tapped for scopes, pads added,,,any number of alterations that have taken them from the Military Collector field to the shooter catagory.
Some not altered too far or that may be salvagable dispite alterations that it's worth the work to 'restore' them to their prior Military status.
I've done that to a couple early MkI and MkI* SMLEs from the 1904/06 era,,sliding charger bridge and the so difficult to find rear handguard. I've still got another two in the works.
But I'm not opposed to building a sporter,,usually a pre-ww2 or even pre ww1 style European sporter on an already altered rifle.
What better way to bring the old rifles back to life than in the sporter form that many of the very factorys that made the Military versions also manufactured.
The custom gunsmiths of the day didn't do too bad either.

Sedgley of Philadelphia made hundreds of sporter 1903 Springfields.
All built on military parts bought as scrap metal from the US Gov't,,paid for by the pound.
Low # '03s recv'rs condemned both by the Gov't and most of the shooting press as a handgrenade in hand.
They were headed to the smelter if Sedgleys hadn't bid for them.
So much for romantic history.
Mine is still in one piece after nearly 90yrs as a sporter and is as fine a shooter (and looker) as any.

Yes there are a lot of poorly done sporter jobs out there. They were cheap, available rifles at one time.
Everyone had a hacksaw and a file in the garage or basement shop.
$5 to $10 would get you a military rifle of some sorts and probably some ammo at most any gun show. $20 would give you the pick of the litter.
My first Mauser was a as-new un-issued in the grease Loewe-Berlin mfg 1983 Model Mauser rifle in 7x57 complete w/matching bayonet and scabbard. Retail price off the rack,,I splurged,, was $14.99.
 
I think this No4 Mk I cost about 29 bucks when I got it and started sawing away in 1972 or thereabouts. I like it. With the mag and butt-thingy full I've got 19 rounds available. The sights are great and it handles very well.

I especially like the snorts of derision it elicits from the don't-touch-them-they-only-made-a-gazillion-of-them crowd.


This "it's just one in a gazillion" thing is what gets unusual rifles trashed. Take this perfect example from a pawn shop the other year.

It was marked "Enfield No.4 Mk1*/2" with a crude attempt to obliterate the *. It was one of a few hundred or a couple of thousand rifles that were mismarked at the Maltby factory as Mk1*. At some point it was updated to Mk2 standard, hence the weird designator. Real Mk1* rifles were marked Mk1/3 after update. The original stock was reworked to remove the strap at the rear of the forend and little filler pieces fitted. It still had the original serial on what was left of the forend so I know it was the original stock. So there you go, an unusual variant ruined by bubba and his hacksaw through blind ignorance. Broke my heart.:(
 
That might be so at the moment but over here all us older guys have seen 1911`s, 1917s, and virtually most phased out military guns go cheap when we were kids and in later years go out of sight and just about unattainable. Maybe those guns will too?

True, but this one did not have a single number that matched.
Still have an original 1907 CG m96 tucked away :D

Gun laws here make it hard to keep guns just for fun
and the ones that no one really needs goes to the scrapper.
I have seen really nice guns sent to the police for destruction.
Not saving a single screw, it all gets grinded down.:(

Did manage to save a nice m96 just at the desk,
the owner wanted to get it out of the house and i had room to spare :cool:
 
I have this 03 Springfield Mark I that is chambered in .270. One of the guys at my LGS said it looked as if whoever sporterized it was a Jack O'Connor fan.

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My brother has a sporterized 03-A3 .30-06 I bought several years ago. You couldn't keep all the shots on a paper plate at 100 yards with the old wood stock. Restocked it with a Ramline I found cheap at a gunshow and it turned into tackdriver.

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Surely you jest about O'Connor. That's the sort of rifle that'd give Jack "a case of the vapors" as he phrased it.

He was into classic rifles and popularized that look. He loved the Winchester M-70 and I think he'd approve of the current ones.
 
My brothers, sisters and I where all given either Springfield or Enfields that the "old man" bought cheap and had the sights milled off, Herters wood stocks fitted, bolts reworked and changed to cock on opening. He didn't have much money, but he did have lots of love for us and shooting. Those guns have taken lots of game and are all cherished to this day. I gave mine to my oldest son for his first deer hunt.

Would I do it today? I doubt it. I can go pick up a very nice rifle of a variety of calibers and options. But, then they will never have the sentiment and meaning of those rifles that were labors of love.
 
No. Have no use for guys who butcher up classic cars either.
 
I hate to see a half-assed butcher job on a fine old military rifle. Have bought several over the years that had at least escaped any metal cutting and returned them to military status. However I have seen and owned a few really nicely done examples that did impress me by the time and effort someone clearly put into them.

The peak of the sporter craze ran from the late 40's into the 60's. Old gun mags I have were full of articles on how to sporter these rifles and a lot of people tried. Some had the talent to produce a fine rifle, have seen a few that were really impressive. Have also bought a few just to salvage the action parts, they were really bad.

As with many things, if you're going to do it, do it right. It also helps to know your own limitations.
 
Well, when you think about that these were rifles that were in barrels in sporting goods stores, and treated like broomsticks, this is reality. They might have been history, but they were last year's history. After a war, the tools are just so much salvage. Battleships, B-17s, P-51s, tanks, they were all just things to be made into scrap iron, so we could get back on civilian footing. Look at all the old Ford coupes that were cobbled up into dirt track cars, 55-57 Chevys too. Being a long time drag racer, it doesn't bother me to see old Corvettes made into unrestorable race cars. I'd rather see them like that, than a pristine example in a museum or in someone's garage under a cover.
 
How do you feel about "sporterized" weapons?

I realize that most were chopped a long time ago, and what's done is done, I'd even buy one if it was a good job but, I hate the idea of doing it to any surviving weapons.

I kind of feel that they're a part of history and shouldn't be messed with.

Modern firearms are relatively inexpensive, accurate, lightweight, and available. I see no need to chop up something as unique as an old mil-surp.

How do you feel?

The original poster asks "How do you feel?" and when some guys say they don't like them, don't approve of butchering old mil-surps some of you guys get your panties all in a wad and throw out the "It's my gun and I'll do what I want to it" card or the "They made millions of them so they aren't rare" card. He asked for opinions but some of you guys don't want to hear dissenting ones.

I admit I've seen some really good looking rifles on this thread but I'm not a fan of sporterized rifles. I don't care for refinished military rifles either. To me they look like your old uncle wearing a bad toupe'. Most are garage jobs done poorly.
 
Here's my 1917 Edystone, made in June of 1918, so I imagine it never left the CONUS.

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It has an inlay. :)

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Nice stock too!

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Whoever did it was a craftsman. Totally done correctly.

Still an '06, thought I might make it a .340 Wby some day, but the barrel is so nice, I gave that thought up.
 
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