Starbucks caved

[Xtasy]

If your friend is good with it, why not just say you are hunting snakes and other varmints in the unlikely event someone complains?

True, but it does not look like hunting when I am fixing a sprinkler system does it?

The problem is this, I as a law abiding citizen get criminalized. The chances are small that anybody would ever catch me BUT I am knowingly breaking the law. And if I would get arrested with open carrying that would create a massive problem for my future security clearances

 

[ChuckS1]

Doesn't surprise me at all. If we assume most of the people who open-carry are like most posters on this thread, then they're the guys buying plain black coffee. I would guess the antigunners are the high-end menu customers. If I were the owner, I'd rather have the high-end customers spending $6 rather than the $2 crowd. Just makes good business sense to me, though I may not agree with the politics.

 

[Freeway]

I still love the military, like firearms, and enjoy a White Chocolate Mocha (no whipped cream) from Starbucks on occasion. Not every person who orders from the high-end menu is an anti-gunner. I belong to the NRA and RWVA (Appleseed) also.

ChuckS1,
I do get your point though. No offense meant!

 

[luangtom]

Yup, we are sometimes our own worst enemy. The overzealous open-carriers pushed their beliefs into the faces of too many people, too many times and StarBucks took this stance. I find it sad that we did this to ourselves. I know many businesses locally that do not care about CC in their businesses, but do tend to frown on Open-Carry due to the soccer-moms and such that also do their business there. So, maybe this will be a lesson to us all.....common-sense cannot be legislated.

 

[Freeway]

... perhaps more so than someone who donated $19.99 to justify putting a badge next to their handle on a firearms site with only 12 posts to their credit

Maybe a little off topic, but I don't understand this one. I spent years as an MP, and wasn't sure if I was (am) allowed to select law enforcement in my profile. If I am, I would be proud to adjust my profile.

I didn't see anywhere to buy that, for any amount, not here anyway. Just confused is all.

 

[Jessie]

I saw the interview today also and he was asked about concealed carry whereupon he has asked patrons not to. Cavuto then asked how would you know? Frisk them? He then fell back on the fence about whatever is legal in that particular place yada yada. He's obviously trying to play both sides, and that's his job actually. He's there to make money and not demonstrate for or against anything but coffee. I think he's just come to realize that pandoras' box has been opened at his stores and he wants it closed. Right now he's bumbling along like another leader we all know.
I don't really care in the long run, it's been years since I've had any Starbucks, I remember it was good but not $4.00 worth of good. I do care about my gun rights, but I don't see where Starbucks are ever going to have any effect on that.
I'll just vote with my wallet. This is just all a business decision going on anyways.

 

[the ringo kid]

My point is that they made their stance known. The other side pressured them and our side stood up for them although excessively at times. The gun community made extra visits to the stores when an anti boycott was scheduled so that it would not make any difference to their bottom line. Now they don't want us there.

I agree it is their right to do this, but my problem is they allowed themselves to be bullied into going against their own wishes. Therefore they caved. they changed their policy, therefore they caved.

As far as coffee goes, it isn't coffee unless it is hot and black, no sugar, no creamer. no special flavors. I would never pay their outrageous prices, but my wife likes the fancy frozen flavored coffee like drinks. It would not have been unfathomable to think I may have gone into a Starbucks while she ordered one. Even she, caring less about the the subject has said she will never step foot into a Starbucks

No no no, gotta have sugar and creamer--or it isnt coffee. Too bitter for me without.

 

[the ringo kid]

Am I the only one that noticed the repeated references to open carry in the letter? This isn't about concealed carry and it probably isn't about those that open carry responsibly it's about the extremists who turn Starbucks into a circus.

I saw some photos over on THR of some idiot standing in the lobby of a Starbucks with a shotgun in his hands getting his picture taken!

Another photo shows a couple drinking their lattes while the man is holding and AR on his hip!

If I was the Starbucks CEO I'd post every store in the chain after that

Nope. I noticed that too but didnt feel the need to say anything. No offense meant.

 

[Arik]

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[Kanewpadle]

Further proof that open carry hurts our cause more than it helps.

Some much for educating the public!!

I'm not mad at Starbucks. I'm at those selfish few that have set us back a bit. Open carry does NOT represent me or my beliefs in carrying a gun.

 

[Kanewpadle]

I don't go to Starbucks often but I do go. Yes the coffee is expensive and it's really not that great. But my daughter is manager at one of their stores. And she's a gun lover!

I'm really irritated by this. Carrying a gun is supposed to be to protect yourself. NOT educating others. Open carry is an excuse to show off and appear manly. They open carry with a loaded gun but got nothing between the ears.

 

[speedyquad]

Give them an inch, they will take a mile.

Whether or not you are for open carry or against it. we need to stand together and not allow any more of our freedoms be lost through divide and conquer...

if this type of ban/request were on a federal level, every one of us would be up in arms over it. I ask what is the difference? It won't be long before they say, or enforce, the no concealed. By then it will be too late.

 

[Protected One]

For those with the ability to read "between the lines", his statement DOES NOT attempt to prohibit concealed carry in their stores!

This man has a business to run, and he's understandably tired of the media circus and the distraction it has become. If acceptable cc is not enough for you, and only open carry will make you happy...then it's you who has the problem...not Starbucks!

 

[Waywatcher]

Reading the responses to this reminds me this why I like this forum among gun forums; these fellow forum members.

I honestly didn't even know about the open carry/Starbucks issue, and now that I do, I find myself siding with the overwhelming majority here in that openly carrying to Starbucks, for its own sake, is simply ill advised.

 

[Kanewpadle]

Give them an inch, they will take a mile.

Whether or not you are for open carry or against it. we need to stand together and not allow any more of our freedoms be lost through divide and conquer...

if this type of ban/request were on a federal level, every one of us would be up in arms over it. I ask what is the difference? It won't be long before they say, or enforce, the no concealed. By then it will be too late.

The problem is the open carry folks don't know when to quit and they don't use any common sense.

We have discussed open carry versus concealed here many times and most agree that OC has no significant advantages over concealed.

OC is merely a statement. It is their wish to be seen doing something that is their right. That's all. Nothing more. They wish to educate the public about their right to open carry. But do you think that anti gun people care about our rights? If they cared or were interested, they would ask. But instead a few simple mind folks want to force feed that education to the public whether they want it or not and the attitude is "tough, it's MY right".

Our founding fathers wrote the Bill of Rights and expected us to use some COMMON SENSE.

Sorry, but I won't stand with those that OC. Again, it does not in any way represent me or my view about gun ownership. It makes us all look bad.

Instead gun owners, ALL gun owners need to do what they know is right and true. If you carry concealed, it must STAY concealed. We must practice what we preach and obey all safety precautions and be RESPONSIBLE gun owners. WE MUST STAY OUT OF THE LIMELIGHT.

 

[Joe Kent]

COMMON SENSE is what is needed! Why in the name of good judgement would you advertise and make yourself a target by carrying a gun in the open in a populated area. I can tell you, if you walk into my store carrying an exposed gun without a badge close by both my son and I , who I might add are NRA life members, will be on full alert and prepared to blow you away if you make the slightest wrong move. Why in God's name do you have to advertise being a "tough guy" by carrying an openly displayed firearm. In polite company I expect good and decent people to be prepared to take care of their selves and their family. Understand I have spent my life in the company of tough and" dangerous" men who have seen the "elephant " on more than one occasion and to a man you would never know they are willing and ready to meet what ever threat is presented to them until it arises. Remember, Speak softly and carry a big stick, just do it concealed for your own safety and show good judgement and don't shove the fact that you are carrying in the face of people who will think you are some kind of a nut! Believe me when I say many of us who support the right to carry also think you are both foolish and needlessly endangering yourself and those around you by being an "amateur tough guy". I should add that when I am in the wild I carry a large caliber handgun in the open, BUT SO DOES everybody else. When in town I may carry the same cannon , except you won't know it until I need it and then damned if I care if it's seen. Until that time ,it will be well concealed. All my very best Joe Kent.

 

[raymo2u]

who said i OC becuase it makes me a tough guy? i do it becuase i beleive creeps and bad guys prey on the weak and gun free zones. thus me being there is preventing a coward from taking advantage from a woman or child that might of been a victim instead. carried concealed lets the problem happen and then you must think wether to choose to involve your life or not....this is my opinion though, i may or may not be right.

 

[Texas Star]

Whatever .. just another reason not to pay $4 for a cup of coffee.

GF

Well, certainly not for THEIR coffee, which has too much caffeine and tastes awful. Even a doctor warned me to avoid their coffee. Oddly, it's allowed to be sold at the VA hospital here.

 

[Kanewpadle]

who said i OC becuase it makes me a tough guy? i do it becuase i beleive creeps and bad guys prey on the weak and gun free zones. thus me being there is preventing a coward from taking advantage from a woman or child that might of been a victim instead. carried concealed lets the problem happen and then you must think wether to choose to involve your life or not....this is my opinion though, i may or may not be right.

Again, open carry does nothing to prevent or stop crime nor does it have any advantages over concealed carry.

If you truly believe what you just wrote, you need to reevaluate your mindset.

Simply having a gun is not enough. It means nothing if you don't have the right mindset, situational awareness, training and practice.

 

[Xtasy]

We have discussed open carry versus concealed here many times and most agree that OC has no significant advantages over concealed.

A good exemple is my current situation. I help a friend on his farm, that thing is gigantic. He is growing oranges for juice and raises cows. Even though it is private property I can't carry open. Here in Florida I have to be camping, fishing, hunting or shooting to open carry.But it would be unlawful to carry open while working. It is lawful to carry open on your property but not on somebody else's, even if he allows it

You can imagine how great it is to work in the sun with a concealed firearm here in Florida. My main reason is to protect myself from snakes, gators and other creatures trying to kill me.

Open carrying has its reasons. Here in Florida you run around 90% of the year only in flip flops, shirt and shots. It is not hard to spot a printing firearm, so what is the difference between open carry and a firearm printing through the shirt?