The cost of driving electrically...

[DWalt]

As previously noted, Texas already has an annual registration surcharge for EVs, and there are probably other states with similar EV surcharges or soon will be. As time goes on, the bureaucrats will probably mandate a mileage-based fee system. An ideal AI system that will track the mileage of every vehicle in real time and send you a mileage-based fee billing every month. Lots of room for such mischief to begin, probably things no one has yet imagined, like a KWH tax on electricity used to charge your EV's batteries.

 

[Racer X]

As previously noted, Texas already has an annual registration surcharge for EVs, and there are probably other states with similar EV surcharges or soon will be. As time goes on, the bureaucrats will probably mandate a mileage-based fee system. An ideal AI system that will track the mileage of every vehicle in real time and send you a mileage-based fee billing every month. Lots of room for such mischief to begin, probably things no one has yet imagined, like a KWH tax on electricity used to charge your EV's batteries.

washington is $80 for phev or ev.

 

[TeamPB]

The cost of a BEV? Too much! I am not talking money, I'm talking about the 2013 flood, I'm talking about yearly wild fires or even when a local natural gas junction went down in December -10, when it is time to go my family will go. I don't want to think about hurricanes or all the other regular events where a BEV is just wrong. Local electrical power went out in two of the above scenarios. If it can go wrong it will, no BEVs ever. Hybrids and ICE for the win.

ps. if you need tax bribes to sell your product the nuns from my grade school years wouldn't assume BEVs are evil, they would know.

 

[Beemerguy53]

I'll keep my horse, thank you.

Visitors to the Mercedes-Benz Museum in Stuttgart, Germany, take an elevator to the 5th level to begin their tour. As the elevator nears the top of its climb, those inside hear the sound of a horse neighing. When the elevator door opens they are treated to this sight...

 

[LoboGunLeather]

C'mon guys! Last estimate I heard indicated we only have about 300 years of proven petroleum reserves left. What are we gonna do after that is gone?

 

[Rustyt1953]

 

[steelslaver]

Ya, my Grandpa didn't put his horses out to pasture when he first saw a model T, but he did end up driving a Plymouth.

Same questions Where is the gas going to come from, the tires wear out, there aren't gas stations everywhere, it will wear out, can't go in the mud, over rough ground, bla bla bla bla.
Same types of reasoning, there will always be lots of grass, a mare has a foal, I can buy plenty of good horses for that kind of money. My horse will never catch on fire.

Electric drive does make sense. But we are a long way from being where we need to be. Batteries are as big issue, power generation and distribution nearly as much of an issue. Also at this point in time, any environmental advantage of electric drive is imaginary

 

[biku324]

That piece is from last year. If the brakes have gone on hard for EV sales in the last 12 months, I wouldn't be surprised.

Well...

"Ford ended Q1 2024 with 7,743 Lightning sales, up 80% compared to the same period last year." 2024 Ford F-150 Lightning Goes Back On Sale After Two-Month Hiatus

 

[Skeet 028]

C'mon guys! Last estimate I heard indicated we only have about 300 years of proven petroleum reserves left. What are we gonna do after that is gone?

I think you have been directed to the wrong sites to read. There is one field here in Wyoming(near Green River) that has an estimated 225 years of recoverable oil at today's technology. That is for the US. The oil field in Eastern Montana that Biden shut down has at least as much. There are other proven reserves of near the same size throughout the US...oh and ol ME continues to make oil...it isn't dinosaurs you know? No matter what Sinclair says

 

[S-W4EVER]

If EV's were such a good deal, you wouldn't be able to keep people from buying them. Buy one if you want one but leave my (undeleted) diesel pickup alone. There might be a day when people stand in line to buy EV's but my guess is the infrastructure will have to catch up and battery technology probably needs to make a quantum leap too.

 

[BC38]

Interesting rates in the video pf $0.64 vs $0.50 for the evening fill up. I consider $0.20 per KW highway robbery.

With the predicted battery life I can see the trade in value of an EV being much less than 30% of cost after 5 years. I am not ready to accept that kind of loss on investment, let alone how I would stay warm in below sero weather.

Yeah, WA, ID, and MT have about the best electricity rates in the whole country - thanks to the BPA.
But elsewhere, that $0.50-$0.64 per KW isn't all that unusual - especially during peak demand hours...

 

[BC38]

27 miles and crossing the continental divide to get to Walmart. Winco, Smiths, and Costco are 55 miles.

All well within the minimum ranges of modern EVs. Even with a heater or air conditioner running full blast.

 

[BC38]

C'mon guys! Last estimate I heard indicated we only have about 300 years of proven petroleum reserves left. What are we gonna do after that is gone?

LOL, when you consider the advances in technology in the last 50 years, I think it is safe to say that the next 300 years is plenty of time to figure it out.

We certainly DON'T need Big Brother forcing us all to adopt the current level of technology in the next 5-10 years.

 

[ladder13]

One of my neighbors just bought a 150 Lightning. He charges it in his driveway. Smart guy doing that.

 

[CH4]

One of my neighbors just bought a 150 Lightning. He charges it in his driveway. Smart guy doing that.

I would too. But when they burn, they burn hot. It'd have to be quite a distance from the house; the driveway would be toast.

 

[biku324]

Been to lots and lots of car and truck fires over the years.

 

[DWalt]

C'mon guys! Last estimate I heard indicated we only have about 300 years of proven petroleum reserves left. What are we gonna do after that is gone?

Within 300 years, it is a near-certainty that most energy will come from nuclear sources, maybe even nuclear fusion. Or even some other source(s) unknown to us today.

 

[biku324]

Current lifestyles suggest society powered by fairy dust.

 

[s&wchad]

Well...

"Ford ended Q1 2024 with 7,743 Lightning sales, up 80% compared to the same period last year." 2024 Ford F-150 Lightning Goes Back On Sale After Two-Month Hiatus

That's true, but Ford only sold about 24,000 F-150 Lightnings in 2023.

They sold close to 726,000 conventional F-150's in the same year.

 

[glowe]

It is the use of accessories that take many EV owners by surprise. Every electrical device you run in the car take miles away from range. Those mileage numbers that EV manufactures claim are worse lies than gas engine car manufacturers claims. Car & Driver did a study on the use of heaters and air-conditioners to find they can can cut mileage on a charge in half.

Mileage loss is about the same when using either heater or a/c, so the use of any HVAC in EVs dramatically affects mileage per charge. Chart below states consumption in watt-hours per mile and range in miles. I once read an article promoting the use of EVs where the author told readers to dress for the cold when driving an EV in the winter.

 

[TeamPB]

Been to lots and lots of car and truck fires over the years.

I believe it and I bet you helped to extinguish many of them. In our brave new BEV world, when a vehicle catches on fire, the only smart move is to runaway. Something is wrong with this picture.

 

[Skeet 028]

All well within the minimum ranges of modern EVs. Even with a heater or air conditioner running full blast.

i would have to give a just maybe on that statement. Consider leave the vehicle out doors to charge( the smart thing with EVs) gotta go to the hospital at 0 dark 30 at 30 below. Hopefully you'd get out of the driveway Even ICE vehicles aren't really reliable at that kind of times...but usually ok if they start. Usually we stay in at 20 below or more except for necessities

 

[glenwolde]

If you have to charge at a retail charging station it's not very practical, or economical. I'm a perfect candidate. All we do is make short trips, and not many of those.

I also have spare electrical capacity in the garage. There used to be a clothes dryer out there but we bought one of those new-fangled "ventless" all-in-one GE machines that only needs a single 110v outlet and has no exhaust vent.

 

[dave1918a2]

I'll keep My 24 year old Toyota.

 

[biku324]

I believe it and I bet you helped to extinguish many of them. In our brave new BEV world, when a vehicle catches on fire, the only smart move is to runaway. Something is wrong with this picture.

Some I could damp down with with fire extinguishers, but by no means all. It just depended on lots of variables. As a general rule it's better when cars and trucks don't catch on fire.

 

[DesertFox]

'23 Lightning ER and '18 Chevy Volt owner here. Wife drives the Volt, a great hybrid that rolls on battery for 99% of her driving. Had well over a dozen trucks, including 3 Raptors and a Powerboost.

There's a seat for every butt. The Lightning is great in so many ways in spite of its well documented shortcomings.

Musk is a dufus alien from outer space so not going Tesla route based on that belief.

Having access to a tow vehicle or renting a tow vehicle when needed is the best bet if towing needs are more than occasional. Light towing no problem.

Charging at home is critical since DC fast charging is much more expensive and harder on the battery array. That's the rub - many people who would benefit (i.e. city/urban dwellers) do not have a way to charge at home.

They'll be ICE and EV cohabitating on the roadways for many years to come.

 

[BC38]

It is the use of accessories that take many EV owners by surprise. Every electrical device you run in the car take miles away from range. Those mileage numbers that EV manufactures claim are worse lies than gas engine car manufacturers claims. Car & Driver did a study on the use of heaters and air-conditioners to find they can can cut mileage on a charge in half.

Mileage loss is about the same when using either heater or a/c, so the use of any HVAC in EVs dramatically affects mileage per charge. Chart below states consumption in watt-hours per mile and range in miles. I once read an article promoting the use of EVs where the author told readers to dress for the cold when driving an EV in the winter.

And if you roll your windows down in the summer - instead of using the AC - you lose mileage due to the additional drag. Not as much as using the AC, but still...

 

[biku324]

'23 Lightning ER and '18 Chevy Volt owner here. Wife drives the Volt, a great hybrid that rolls on battery for 99% of her driving. Had well over a dozen trucks, including 3 Raptors and a Powerboost.

There's a seat for every butt. The Lightning is great in so many ways in spite of its well documented shortcomings.

Musk is a dufus alien from outer space so not going Tesla route based on that belief.

Having access to a tow vehicle or renting a tow vehicle when needed is the best bet if towing needs are more than occasional. Light towing no problem.

Charging at home is critical since DC fast charging is much more expensive and harder on the battery array. That's the rub - many people who would benefit (i.e. city/urban dwellers) do not have a way to charge at home.

They'll be ICE and EV cohabitating on the roadways for many years to come.

Now you're in trouble - you've offered actual experience!

 

[steelslaver]

I think you have been directed to the wrong sites to read. There isestimated 225 years of recoverable oil at today's technology. That is for the US. one field here in Wyoming(near Green River) that has an The oil field in Eastern Montana that Biden shut down has at least as much. There are other proven reserves of near the same size throughout the US...oh and ol ME continues to make oil...it isn't dinosaurs you know? No matter what Sinclair says

No oil field in Eastern Montana was shutdown by anyone. The number of drilling rigs in the Balkan did drop dramatically but in 2018, well before Joe. Main reason was the low price of crude. While good crude it is also a very high cost recovery oil. My one brother lives in a small town in the oil fields of eastern Montana. All the man camps were gone by 2019

I spend a good part of my 20s and early 30s on rotary drilling rigs. Boom bust boom bust

BTW US oil production had a record high last year. Over 5% higher that the previous record high in 2019. Those numbers come directly from the producers own numbers.

The price of fuel has almost doubled which interestingly enough matched the fact that the oil majors profits have also doubled. Once again those numbers come from their very own quarterly financial reports.