The Devastation of Helene in North Carolina

The role of FEMA, err….first word FEDERAL

About FEMA | FEMA.gov

"FEMA's mission is helping people before, during, and after disasters."


"FEMA's core values of compassion, fairness, integrity, and respect are at the heart of what the agency and its employees stand for and represent. These values form the solid foundation of who FEMA is, what the agency believes, and how it approaches serving the NATION".


Well if that's what you're supposed to do….jus saying'
 
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Regarding FEMA and its mission, it is not an infinitely-manned agency. No agency can be.

But I'm sure that if its size were doubled or tripled to handle such catastrophes as are now evident from hurricanes, then critics would carp during better times that it is a bloated agency. And the yell would come: Cut its budget.

If the hurricane season and the tornado season and wildfire season are becoming bigger and wider, then perhaps it is time to expand FEMA by triple and up its budget and create a reserve fund beyond what it is now.
 
petepeterson said:
Or be more selective on what it uses it's funds for.
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Like most government agencies, FEMA's funding is not a zero-sum amount. Spending for one program doesn't take away from the budget for another program. Of course, if you have information the rest of us don't -- perhaps you work for FEMA or DHS? -- please share it...or just tell us what led you to write the above post?
 
Federal Emergency Management Agency is an agency of the United States Department of Homeland Security, initially created under President Jimmy Carter by Presidential Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1978 and implemented by two Executive Orders on April 1, 1979.
Customer service: 1 (800) 621-3362
Founders: Jimmy Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski
Founded: April 1, 1979
Headquarters: Washington, D.C.
Annual budget: $29.5 billion (FY 2023)
Employees: 22,991 (Sep 2023)
 
FEMA: $640 million in disaster fund "housing assistance" for migrants (April 2024)... Department of Homeland Security Announces $300 Million in Direct Funding to Communities Receiving Migrants and $340 Million for a New Competitive Awards Process | FEMA.gov

Maybe if they weren't spending taxpayer monies on illegals, they would have more to help American victims of disasters.

Also FEMA: sitting on "Billions" of unspent disaster funds from previous allocations that are unspent (Oct 2024)https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/untapped-relief-fema-is-sitting-on-billions-of-unused-disaster-funds/ar-AA1rSZTl

And yet, Mayorkas says FEMA is running out of funding (Oct 2024)... Alejandro Mayorkas: FEMA'''s funding dwindling amid Hurricanes | AP News

So, what's "disinformation" and what isn't?
 
Update: Finally heard from my uncle near Asheville. Their facility was evacuated on the 1st and they were lucky enough to have a friend that offered them a in-law apartment until their facility is back up. If not, they were going to have to live in a motel until new accommodations could be found. However, they were told that it may be at least 2 months before they get water back to the facility. The other residents were offered to be moved to other facilities miles away until repairs are done. It's still really bad up there but the people are jumping in and helping each other right and left.
 
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I have a long-time forum friend from SC. We chat/text almost daily.

His church spent last week gathering/purchasing winter clothing and coats as cold weather is moving in.

He, his son and several church members loaded their vehicles and headed to Asheville this past Sunday morning to distribute them.

Good folks.
 
Our minister has a home near Asheville so she went up there last week to help out and check on the home. She left with her SUV loaded to the gills with supplies as well as $8k in cash donated by members of our church for the relief effort. She said that the number of people helping and assisting each other was simply amazing.
 
A friend is answering calls from Crisis Cleanup. She spoke to a lady who bought a uhaul load of tarps in NY. She was headed there to donate them. People do care.
 
A friend has a house off US-221 below Linville Falls. He got trapped up there for a few days. Everyone worked 12-hour days trying to clean up the mess.

He is especially grateful for the National Forest Service cutting a path through a thousand downed trees on the roads in his neighborhood.

There is a huge good news story. He was told it would take 4 months to get electric power restored. Outage maps had entire counties out (Henderson, Polk and Ashe). His power is back. In 2 weeks. Most of western NC has been restored. A spectacular accomplishment by the power companies.
 
Rodan said:
...Maybe if they weren't spending taxpayer monies on illegals, they would have more to help American victims of disasters.
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Government agencies, like businesses, have different budgets for different purposes...what they spend doesn't come out of one big pot of money. And money has to be spent legally, in accordance with the law. (Can you just imagine the mischief that would result if agency heads could take funds at will from one project and spend them on another?)

By definition, the migrants who are permitted to be here, and who are receiving some form of government assistance, are not "illegals". That term applies to people who sneak across the border and try to evade detection, not people who arrive at the border and ask for asylum.

Rodan said:
So, what's "disinformation" and what isn't?
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Your first quote above is a good example of disinformation.
 
Beemerguy53 said:
Government agencies, like businesses, have different budgets for different purposes...what they spend doesn't come out of one big pot of money. And money has to be spent legally, in accordance with the law. (Can you just imagine the mischief that would result if agency heads could take funds at will from one project and spend them on another?)

By definition, the migrants who are permitted to be here, and who are receiving some form of government assistance, are not "illegals". That term applies to people who sneak across the border and try to evade detection, not people who arrive at the border and ask for asylum.



Your first quote above is a good example of disinformation.
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Rodan may have erred in painting with the broad brush term "illegals" but he's not wrong in the $640M spent on community support on migrants awaiting legal disposition. Hard to say what are the true numbers of migrants apprehended while entering vs. those seeking asylum. See the first article in his post.
 
soFlaNative said:
Rodan may have erred in painting with the broad brush term "illegals" but he's not wrong in the $640M spent on community support on migrants awaiting legal disposition. Hard to say what are the true numbers of migrants apprehended while entering vs. those seeking asylum. See the first article in his post.
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You make a good point...thanks.

The problem with this whole debate is that our reactions tend to be visceral rather than logical, with the problem exacerbated by some public figures whipping up xenophobia every chance they get. Yes, our border should be absolutely secure against illegal entry, and no one should be here who is not legally entitled to be here. But...

People who present themselves at our border and ask for asylum are following our law, and under the law, we allow them to enter our country pending resolution of their claims. When we do that, we have to shelter and support them, educate their children, provide medical care, etc., while we adjudicate their cases. The alternative is...what? Let them live on the streets or starve? Deny them basic needs? Is that really what we want America to be? Is that the image of the USA we want to present to the world?

When my great-grandparents came here from Europe, they were the foreigners who didn't speak English, didn't look like "real Americans", ate strange food and dressed funny. They settled in an "ethnic" neighborhood in Baltimore with other immigrants from their homeland. Within one generation, our family completely assimilated: My father was a proud American who didn't speak a word of his grandfather's native language. That's the story of America.

People don't come to the USA -- especially by walking hundreds of miles -- because things are great in their home countries, and they just want a change of scenery. They come here to make better lives for themselves, and the vast majority of them want nothing more than to assimilate, to be successful, and to become a part of our great American mosaic. In my opinion, the money we spend to help them as they begin their new lives here is an investment in the future.
 
Beemerguy53 said:
Really? Wow...I thought I've been a lot wittier in some other posts.

But seriously...clever memes and cynical comments are no substitute for facts and evidence. Do you have any evidence that members of the "legacy media" are not professional journalists, or that they are not committed to gathering information and reporting facts?

I realize that some crackpots in this country chant "fake news" any time they read something they don't like in the newspaper, and I'm also aware of the bias on most editorial pages. But for straight-up factual reporting, the "legacy media" -- especially newspapers like the Washington Post and New York Times, and wire services like the Associated Press -- are still a better source of accurate information than an online blogger with an ideological axe to grind.
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surely you must be referring to cbs editing harris's 60 minutes interview?

The washington pist and nyt's "straight-up factual reporting" is the saddest line i have heard in some time. Course comparing them to some anonymous blogger is as bad as their "anonymous sources" It seems most their political reporters are not real reporters, but lefty advocates. Course much of the right's reporters are similar.

Nothing much has changed, if you want to have a serious discussion, you need a variety of news sources. As bad as the lying, is what they decide to cover.

WATCH: FCC commissioner explains if CBS could be in hot water over controversial '''60 Minutes''' edit | Fox News
 
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Beemerguy53 said:
The problem with this whole debate is that our reactions tend to be visceral rather than logical, with the problem exacerbated by some public figures whipping up xenophobia every chance they get. Yes, our border should be absolutely secure against illegal entry, and no one should be here who is not legally entitled to be here. But...

People who present themselves at our border and ask for asylum are following our law, and under the law, we allow them to enter our country pending resolution of their claims. When we do that, we have to shelter and support them, educate their children, provide medical care, etc., while we adjudicate their cases. The alternative is...what? Let them live on the streets or starve? Deny them basic needs? Is that really what we want America to be? Is that the image of the USA we want to present to the world?

When my great-grandparents came here from Europe, they were the foreigners who didn't speak English, didn't look like "real Americans", ate strange food and dressed funny. They settled in an "ethnic" neighborhood in Baltimore with other immigrants from their homeland. Within one generation, our family completely assimilated: My father was a proud American who didn't speak a word of his grandfather's native language. That's the story of America.

People don't come to the USA -- especially by walking hundreds of miles -- because things are great in their home countries, and they just want a change of scenery. They come here to make better lives for themselves, and the vast majority of them want nothing more than to assimilate, to be successful, and to become a part of our great American mosaic. In my opinion, the money we spend to help them as they begin their new lives here is an investment in the future.
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Thank you for another MSM talking point dump.

Legitimate 'asylum seekers' are probably less than 1% of the migrants who have been admitted over the last four years. There is (was) a legal process for vetting and admitting asylum seekers and it has been completely set aside so that millions of economic migrants can be called 'asylum seekers' and 'permitted' to enter. And then they are immediately handed thousands of dollars in benefits at the expense of the American taxpayer.

Opposing this economic and cultural suicide is not xenophobia, it's self preservation. NY City alone has spent a BILLION dollars over the last two years just on hotel rooms for migrants. We are way too far in debt to be spending this kind of money on migrants who should never have been admitted in the first place. And all of it is at the expense of American Citizens, whose grandchildren will be paying the bill. there are plenty of Americans in need, and we need to look to our own problems before we start taking on the rest of the world's.
 
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