The FBI Affect

[LostintheOzone]

A little off base with your "facts" Lost...

Between 1993 and early 2011, the FBI was involved in 150 shootings with suspects. 70 were fatal, and 80 wounded. Not sure how many agents were killed or wounded, but the low number of agents hurt / killed is a testament to training and proper weapon use. A little more dangerous than getting you finger caught in a desk drawer....

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/us/in-150-shootings-the-fbi-deemed-agents-faultless.html

Larry

Sorry, not buying it. Are you saying that the FBI receives such good training that they never end up being shot? No, it's because that they just aren't exposed to the average LEO encounter that ends up being fatal to the officer involved. When you consider the number of agents there are they lead a pretty charmed life compared to other agencies of the same size.

This is from the FBI website.

Agents Killed In Performance of Duty - FBI Agents Association

Sorry if you are offended because you work for the FBI but these are the facts.

 

[DR505]

Sorry if you are offended because you work for the FBI but these are the facts.

Offended by what? The opinion of a keyboard commando?

 

[LostintheOzone]

Since 1992 we have lost 12 agents. The most recent adversarial loss was an agent being shot in the head while serving an arrest warrant as part of a Task Force. Please refrain from posting when you don't have accurate information.

I'm not saying that your information isn't factual but you may want to update that information on this website because to the people that don't have any inside department information it looks somewhat different. Can you give me a link to your info?

http://www.fbiaa.org/?page=MAFPerformance

 

[DR505]

From the same website you used:

Samuel Steele Hicks, born 11/27/1974. Died 11/19/2008 in Indiana, PA.

Special Agent Samuel S. Hicks was killed on November 19, 2008 while executing a federal arrest warrant associated with the takedown of a violent drug trafficking organization near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Upon entering the subject’s house to make the arrest, Special Agent Hicks was shot and killed; the subject was subsequently taken into custody. The planned arrest was the culmination of a year-long investigation involving multiple federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies.

 

[LostintheOzone]

From the same website you used:

Thanks. I stand corrected.

 

[LostintheOzone]

Before I get ostracized from this forum I would like to apologize to anyone I offended in this thread. As was pointed out I didn't have all the facts and I was way out of line. I'm not in a habit of disrespecting any LE agency and it seems I may have done that. I'll move on now.

 

[Fishinfool]

Sorry, not buying it. Are you saying that the FBI receives such good training that they never end up being shot? No, it's because that they just aren't exposed to the average LEO encounter that ends up being fatal to the officer involved. When you consider the number of agents there are they lead a pretty charmed life compared to other agencies of the same size.

This is from the FBI website.

Agents Killed In Performance of Duty - FBI Agents Association

Sorry if you are offended because you work for the FBI but these are the facts.

Not to beat a dead horse, but the link you provided lists just the Agents who died in the line of duty by means other than direct criminal action. Car crashes, training accidents, shot by fellow officers by accident, etc. It does not include those killed by actions taken by criminal suspects, which is a far greater percentage for almost any LEO.

Larry

 

[Bat Guano]

Frankly, my dear...

 

[federali]

Attn: Rimfired

Affect Vs. Effect.

"Effect" refers to a result while "affect" refers to an influence. It was my intention to write about the "FBI Influence" in firearms, ammunition and training. Therefore, "affect" is the correct term.

 

[badge]

I'm not saying that your information isn't factual but you may want to update that information on this website because to the people that don't have any inside department information it looks somewhat different. Can you give me a link to your info?

Agents Killed In Performance of Duty - FBI Agents Association

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