The media is spreading fear

[ladder13]

You're concerns are valid.

Get in line and stay in line or more months in the hole.

Whitmer says protesters' 'irresponsible actions' can lead to extension of stay-at-home orders | TheHill

 

[transit]

Get in line and stay in line or more months in the hole.

Whitmer says protesters' 'irresponsible actions' can lead to extension of stay-at-home orders | TheHill

 

[steelslaver]

About the oly right that has been infringed is the right to assemble. I guess you can go ahead and assemble as far as I am concerned. I don't see where you have the right to assault others and that is what your doing if you are infected and infect them. I can just see the flurry of law suits. Trace some infections to you and they should be able to sue you for everything you have and your future earnings.

I can't wait to see the law suits. Businesses sued for infecting their work force and customers and no insurance will be stupid enough to cover them. Individuals proved to infect others could lose everything and their future earning too. Lawyers are going to love it. Or do you propose to disregard people's right to address their injuries?

How much money you think a business is going to make if it has to spend a ton on protective gear, separation of worker sand disinfecting? Or do you think employee's don't have the right to a safe work place?

 

[Kurusu]

About the oly right that has been infringed is the right to assemble. I guess you can go ahead and assemble as far as I am concerned. I don't see where you have the right to assault others and that is what your doing if you are infected and infect them. I can just see the flurry of law suits. Trace some infections to you and they should be able to sue you for everything you have and your future earnings.

I can't wait to see the law suits. Businesses sued for infecting their work force and customers and no insurance will be stupid enough to cover them. Individuals proved to infect others could lose everything and their future earning too. Lawyers are going to love it. Or do you propose to disregard people's right to address their injuries?

How much money you think a business is going to make if it has to spend a ton on protective gear, separation of worker sand disinfecting? Or do you think employee's don't have the right to a safe work place?

Most insurances, if not all, have a clause saying they do not cover epidemies.

 

[LVSteve]

I read the federal guidelines for restart and there were a bunch of real gotchas/CYA staring me in the face on page 3. Look closely and compare some of the requirements with the clinical capabilities and capacity in your jurisdiction and you will see what I mean.

 

[dockmurgw]

Most insurances, if not all, have a clause saying they do not cover epidemies.

Unless a governor exercises his newly discovered power to order anything he wants...happened here yesterday. PRIVATE insurance must cover all costs, no deductibles, back dated to February.

 

[dockmurgw]

I read the federal guidelines for restart and there were a bunch of real gotchas/CYA staring me in the face on page 3. Look closely and compare some of the requirements with the clinical capabilities and capacity in your jurisdiction and you will see what I mean.

Our governor mentioned this today during his press conference. He considers it a guide for states that are not as prepared as he is, and he can ignore it...next words out of his mouth was how bad they need Federal money.

 

[Kurusu]

Unless a governor exercises his newly discovered power to order anything he wants...happened here yesterday. PRIVATE insurance must cover all costs, no deductibles, back dated to February.

The lawyers will have their day in court on that one.

 

[Jon651]

Me too. Being pessimistic never helped anyone.

The optimist says the glass is half full;
The pessimist says the glass is half empty;
The ENGINEER says the glass is completely full - one-half with air and one-half with water!

 

[Jon651]

I have an honest question that none I know can answer.

All the talk of more testing, so if we were to test everyone. You can test negative yet still be a carrier of the virus. So what does testing really do? Sure it can dictate treatment and help the hospital but the lines at the pharmacy to be tested seem a waste?


NYS just said closed another month...

If you are asymptomatic but carrying the virus you will test positive - because they are testing for the virus, not the symptoms. If you test negative then you do not have the virus. If you are positive then you will need to be isolated. Yes, it's that simple.

The next test is the one I am waiting for (because I had a bad respiratory infection the first week of March and there were no COVID-19 tests available). That one will be a serology test, where they look for antibodies. If you test positive it means you HAD the virus/COVID-19 and recovered; if you test negative that means either you never had it or if you do have it your body has not yet developed the necessary antibodies.

After the serology test becomes widely available, the next big question will be "How long do the antibodies (and the immunity) last?" It could be a lifetime or only a few months - we don't know. Just like in the "olden" days when there was only two types of Hepatitis, we used to have to draw a titer after you got the early vaccines so we could determine if you developed the needed antibodies/immunity.

 

[BC38]

The optimist says the glass is half full;
The pessimist says the glass is half empty;
The ENGINEER says the glass is completely full - one-half with air and one-half with water!

I always heard that the engineer says the glass is twice as big as it needs to be!
Either way, I like the practical answers (I happen to be an engineer).

 

[steelslaver]

Unless a governor exercises his newly discovered power to order anything he wants...happened here yesterday. PRIVATE insurance must cover all costs, no deductibles, back dated to February.

That isn't going to fly. The governor can't change a contract after the fact. That will never hold up in court. Pipe dream.

Having had a type of virus and recovering from does not always mean immunity. Antibodies can be good and work to give immunity or they may not. Take another virus Hepatitis, you can get immunity from type A or B either through having them and recovering or through inoculation. Not so with type C of which there are 3 strains of Hep C and there is no immunity from any of them and you can get multiple strains at the same time or another while you already have one or more.

 

[ladder13]

Maybe not at all

WHO warning: No evidence antibody tests can show coronavirus immunity

 

[ladder13]

In other news, states are going to slowly open up. Jacksonville beach right about now for one.

 

[steelslaver]

I don't mind Montana opening up most stuff with some basic restrictions. No large groups, keeping people spaced out. Most places around here have plexiglass barriers between customers and cashiers those should stay. Schools can resume next fall, But no new students without testing. No sporting events for a while. The bars and casinos can stay closed forever as far as I am concerned. You infect someone your liable.

But, people from out of state need to go into quarantine for 14 days before they can mingle.

I really hope that this new drug can work to treat those that have severe effects. THAT would change everything.

 

[steelslaver]

I read the federal guidelines for restart and there were a bunch of real gotchas/CYA staring me in the face on page 3. Look closely and compare some of the requirements with the clinical capabilities and capacity in your jurisdiction and you will see what I mean.

Where can I find a copy. My search so far has not produced any detailed guidelines

 

[BC38]

That isn't going to fly. The governor can't change a contract after the fact. That will never hold up in court. Pipe dream.

Some of these governors have got a little taste of power and are now going a little power mad.

Obviously they don't have the power to authority to dictate changes in terms of insurance policies which are a contract between the insurer and the insured.

There will be lawsuits that they will lose, but hey, they'll be defended in the lawsuits by taxpayer money, and their proclamations make them look good to the voters, so what the hell, why not, right?

 

[BC38]

I don't mind Montana opening up most stuff with some basic restrictions. No large groups, keeping people spaced out. Most places around here have plexiglass barriers between customers and cashiers those should stay. Schools can resume next fall, But no new students without testing. No sporting events for a while. The bars and casinos can stay closed forever as far as I am concerned. You infect someone your liable.

But, people from out of state need to go into quarantine for 14 days before they can mingle.

I really hope that this new drug can work to treat those that have severe effects. THAT would change everything.

Good luck with proving who infected who for purposes of liability.

How do you enforce the out of stater quarantine? Armed checkpoints at every border crossing into your state and armed escorts to quarantine detention centers?

I also am hopeful for the Gilead trial meds, as well as the Hydrochloriquine trials. And for immunity from antibodies - which is almost a certainty due to the nature of the illness.

 

[Kurusu]

There will be lawsuits that they will lose, but hey, they'll be defended in the lawsuits by taxpayer money, and their proclamations make them look good to the voters, so what the hell, why not, right?

To the braindead voters you mean?

 

[BC38]

Maybe not at all

WHO warning: No evidence antibody tests can show coronavirus immunity

Well, if the WHO says so it must be true. I mean so many of their predictions, projections, and statements about this have been so accurate and right on. [/sarcasm]

With over 560,000 people having recovered if there were any evidence of a significant number of re-infections, indicating no immunity in the recovered, the MSM would be hyping it to high heaven. It would be very bad news, which also means it would be the lead story on every channel. I'm not seeing it.

The probability that recovery confers immunity is extremely high, to the extent that the probability of the opposite is extremely minute. It is possible, but highly improbable.