The Russians have gone in
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Absalom
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Unless it's somehow a political issue to you, I don't see why we can't discuss sources. With pretty much unlimited world media at your finger tips, most of it available in English, your ability to arrive at your own conclusions is only limited by yourself.
Here's a link to Russia's official voice abroad:
RT - Breaking news, shows, podcasts
For me the question is, what does Russia really gain by invading/ conquering the Ukraine? "What am I missing here? What resources does Putin pick up that make it worth the risk? Forgive my ignorance.
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LVSteve
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Do you know how many countries in the world would be happy to see that happen? It's a lot, and you might be very surprised to learn who some of them are.
What's motivating Ukraine is they were working slowly, steadily on EU accession (to join the EU requires that you meet difficult standards) and likely would have made it in 10 years. That was their goal when they gave up old Soviet nukes at our, the UK's, and Russians' request in 1994. We (the US) were helping them get modernized and to clean up corruption in small ways, as was the EU. Russia doesn't want that, so they invaded a country that had been independent over 31 years.
It's really that simple.
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LVSteve
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If you don't believe the US based media, then look at the English language output from the overseas sources.
You seem to have missed other events that clearly demonstrate what a monster Putin is. He does not tolerate defiance, by individuals or by countries he believes should be under the Russian thumb.
One guy was poisoned with polonium, and another Russian critic and his daughter were poisoned by Novichok nerve agent smeared on their front door in England. UK doctors saved those two, but the delivery system was a perfume spray recovered by a female dumpster diver. She is now dead, and her partner barely survived. Others have also been tagged with Novichok.
UncleEd
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Besides what Biku has just stated
in Post #107,
add to it Putin's dream to restore
Russia to its former glory as an
empire and his hatred of NATO
which was and is a force
against Russian expansionism.
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This is what Russia does. This is how Ukrainian patriots respond.
Defiant final words as all Ukrainian soldiers on Zmiinyi Island are killed – BalkansTimes
Ukrainian border guards protecting Snake Island reportedly refused to surrender to Russian attackers and were all killed.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed that Zmiinyi Island – also known as Snake Island – has fallen to Russian forces, with all defenders killed in the desperate battle.
The tiny island, located in the Black Sea in the Odessa region, plays an important role in delimiting Ukrainian territorial waters.
Audio reportedly captured shortly before the bloody attack shows Ukrainian soldiers remained defiant despite the overwhelming odds against them.
According to a translation shared by BuzzFeed correspondent Christopher Miller, who spent 11 years based in Ukraine and eastern Europe, Russians forces ordered the defenders to surrender.
"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed and unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed," the Russians said.
The Ukrainian response was simple, and powerful: "Russian warship, go **** yourself".
Defiant final words as all Ukrainian soldiers on Zmiinyi Island are killed | news.com.au — Australia's leading news site
Defiant final words as all Ukrainian soldiers on Zmiinyi Island are killed – BalkansTimes
Ukrainian border guards protecting Snake Island reportedly refused to surrender to Russian attackers and were all killed.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has confirmed that Zmiinyi Island – also known as Snake Island – has fallen to Russian forces, with all defenders killed in the desperate battle.
The tiny island, located in the Black Sea in the Odessa region, plays an important role in delimiting Ukrainian territorial waters.
Audio reportedly captured shortly before the bloody attack shows Ukrainian soldiers remained defiant despite the overwhelming odds against them.
According to a translation shared by BuzzFeed correspondent Christopher Miller, who spent 11 years based in Ukraine and eastern Europe, Russians forces ordered the defenders to surrender.
"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed and unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed," the Russians said.
The Ukrainian response was simple, and powerful: "Russian warship, go **** yourself".
Defiant final words as all Ukrainian soldiers on Zmiinyi Island are killed | news.com.au — Australia's leading news site
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I saw the story about Snake Island earlier and my blood ran cold. A dastardly act.
No sanctions on Russian oil and gas exports?
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Gee, " Those that forget History are doomed to repeat" is all I'll say.
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Pffffttt. The news never has body.
The day that it was announced that Putin was "preparing", you know what made the entire front page of the daily news?
"Wah wah wah cry cry wimper wimper, the football team lost the playoffs."
UncleEd
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Photo from earlier this week
purportedly showed two
Russian soldiers who were
young looking.
In the Isreal Times photos,
the purported Russian POWs
were much older and even
a bit paunchy.
I am always a bit skeptical
of such photos that they are
set-ups and not totally honest.
But no doubt the Russians have
taken some punishment
regardless of the authenticity
of the photos.
An aerial blast over Kyiv last
night definitely had to
be a Russian plane or rocket
being destroyed.
On Colbert last night, Russian
expert Julia Ioffe mentioned that
the U.S. has provided Ukraine training
in insurgency, the very type of
insurgency used against allied
forces in Iraq (and possibly
Afghanistan).
purportedly showed two
Russian soldiers who were
young looking.
In the Isreal Times photos,
the purported Russian POWs
were much older and even
a bit paunchy.
I am always a bit skeptical
of such photos that they are
set-ups and not totally honest.
But no doubt the Russians have
taken some punishment
regardless of the authenticity
of the photos.
An aerial blast over Kyiv last
night definitely had to
be a Russian plane or rocket
being destroyed.
On Colbert last night, Russian
expert Julia Ioffe mentioned that
the U.S. has provided Ukraine training
in insurgency, the very type of
insurgency used against allied
forces in Iraq (and possibly
Afghanistan).
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I just read that 2000 Russian citizens have been arrested for protesting putins war and spreading disinformation. I wonder if he enlisted twitter and facebook to help him fight disinformation?
Raising the price at the pump only helps Putin's economy, we need to work on lowering the price of oil. This is about the only reason we need any relationship with the Saudis or am I being naive?
Absalom
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Given the fact that most electronic media are still operational, I have been a bit surprised by the paucity of actual material.
All day there was footage of the same couple of explosions, some distant flashes in the night, and the same damaged apartment in Kyiv, apparently from a wayward missile strike.
And in international media, no Russian military propaganda footage; if things were going well, you'd think there'd be at least the usual imagery of advancing tanks with waving soldiers and some artillery firing.
But nothing. Whatever the Russians are managing to pull off, this isn't "shock and awe".
All day there was footage of the same couple of explosions, some distant flashes in the night, and the same damaged apartment in Kyiv, apparently from a wayward missile strike.
And in international media, no Russian military propaganda footage; if things were going well, you'd think there'd be at least the usual imagery of advancing tanks with waving soldiers and some artillery firing.
But nothing. Whatever the Russians are managing to pull off, this isn't "shock and awe".
UncleEd
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The most ominous talk from
Putin is the not so veiled
threat of using nuclear arms.
Julia Ioffe, whom I mentioned
earlier, commented today
about Putin's hatred of the U.S.
which has been growing
and festering for the last
35 years.
I personally see him as a sore
loser and if things don't work
out his way in Ukraine, he's
capable of upping the ante.
Like many dictators, he doesn't
care about his people, only
his own ego.
Putin is the not so veiled
threat of using nuclear arms.
Julia Ioffe, whom I mentioned
earlier, commented today
about Putin's hatred of the U.S.
which has been growing
and festering for the last
35 years.
I personally see him as a sore
loser and if things don't work
out his way in Ukraine, he's
capable of upping the ante.
Like many dictators, he doesn't
care about his people, only
his own ego.
Ruger Nut
US Veteran
Yes, but did you see what they said to the Russians before they blew them up?
PRICELESS!
HOUSTON RICK
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When you broadcast fear and indecision in Afghanistan you have to expect the wolves to make their move. Question is what does China get for their support of this? Russia's support for their invasion of Taiwan? This is only act 1 of a long scripted and thought out play we are only slowly beginning to understand. We have for practical purposes washed our hands of Ukraine, but if no one stops him now, he will keep going. He is following Hitler's lead and thinking he is too smart to make the same mistakes. We are obviously following Neville Chamberlains playbook and have no idea what we are doing other than lip service and hoping Putin goes away on his own.
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