Jeez, Rambo, I ain’t saying go meekly into the dark night, I’m pointing out that E&E + shoot if they come at you is the best answer. My comment was mostly directed at the young man working at a drug-troubled KFC…nothing worth shooting someone over in that context except yourself.
The unavoidable gun fight. Are you confident with your handgun choice?
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Are you suggesting I shoot myself because I work at a KFC in a drug troubled town or am I reading ya wrong? EMT school is around the corner or is that not good enough for you either I'd think as a prior medic you would have a little more respect for someone with similar ambitions. Might not be the best job but the last thing I'll do is sit around without new SW Money!
EDC and carry are intelligent choices, but should always be viewed through the lens of problem avoidance and de-escalation whenever possible. I am telling you now that as an EMS professional there isn’t a whole lot of room for carry or escalation in our line of work; the attitude your posts puts off will get you fired quickly.
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sounds like you got life figured out! I never thought being an EMT was about carry or escalation. Everything edc is "mission specific" I'm not arguing that point. Obviously as a medical professional one has to practice carful deep concealment and de-escalation skills. At the end of the day I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 in the event my de-escalation skills are not working. In any workplace I've worked at since 18 I've carried concealed without ever being acknowledged never sharing my secrets. This is a public forum where I will talk differently than my workplace I will share details about my edc. As far as firehouse humor/ trash talk goes I love it grew up around it my whole life. Your comment was not takin as such it was takin as a jab to someone doing their best. I apologize if this was not your intention
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No he was not. He was saying theres nothing in the KFC worth shooting someone else over. Except you. Meaning your personal safety. Shoot to defend yourself. Not the cash register.
This is what I know.
The situation is unlikely but possible. I can't spend all of my thoughts on such a subject nor will I ever dwell on it. My guns work reliably. I hope that I will, as well, but as balin said, the guns have been tested, I have not. Will my five rounds in my J-frame save the day? I have no idea. But if I am given the time we will find out, of that I have no doubt.
The situation is unlikely but possible. I can't spend all of my thoughts on such a subject nor will I ever dwell on it. My guns work reliably. I hope that I will, as well, but as balin said, the guns have been tested, I have not. Will my five rounds in my J-frame save the day? I have no idea. But if I am given the time we will find out, of that I have no doubt.
THE PILGRIM
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Me too! I’m More confident of my gun than I am the rest of the situation.
I’ll be carrying a Smith, SIG, Glock or Ruger.
They all go Bang!
I’ll be carrying a Smith, SIG, Glock or Ruger.
They all go Bang!
Thank you for the clarification
I am confident in my abilities and my choices of weapon. But, sometimes it boils down to how the cards come out of the deck. Lots of very good men have met their end with their gun unfired.
Take the guy at the counter who tried to draw, not many people can beat someone who is very willing to kill, already has gun in hand and finger on the trigger.
Plus, very few people are experienced gunfighters and sometimes experience really counts. NOBODY knows for sure how they will respond until the time comes and even then what may well be the right response in one situation could be wrong in a slightly different on.
IF I had been the customer, would I have survived? I would try. But there are a pile of variables and although having a good gun and knowing how to use it certainly helps, it ain't no guarantee
Take the guy at the counter who tried to draw, not many people can beat someone who is very willing to kill, already has gun in hand and finger on the trigger.
Plus, very few people are experienced gunfighters and sometimes experience really counts. NOBODY knows for sure how they will respond until the time comes and even then what may well be the right response in one situation could be wrong in a slightly different on.
IF I had been the customer, would I have survived? I would try. But there are a pile of variables and although having a good gun and knowing how to use it certainly helps, it ain't no guarantee
If Vejar had even been armed with a pocket pistol he might still be alive.Violent criminals, doing what violent criminals do.
The customer in the store who tried to conceal himself was apparently shot at extremely close range. The news articles I saw didn't indicate whether the deceased customer was armed (it's AZ, right?), but it would seem not?
UPDATE: Suspects in pawn shop shooting found via GPS in Phoenix area
One is dead and another has life-threatening injuries following a shooting at a Northside pawn shop.www.kgun9.com
2 innocents dead from GSW's at the hands of criminals.
The store manager heard the gunfire and went out to his car to retrieve a gun. Guess he didn't keep one in his office, or wear one.
In answer to the OP's question, yes, I'm confident in the functionality of the retirement weapons I carry. If I wasn't I wouldn't carry them. Size, caliber and capacity of them? Not critical factors to me for their role as retirement concealed weapons. Might be for some other folks, though. It is what it is. Neither capacity nor caliber are really suitable substitutions for mindset and skillset when chaos erupts, but that's just my personal opinion.
Then, of course, there's the ability to make good decisions and exercise good judgment when everything around you has gone to hell. It's not the gun that may save you. It's what you are able and willing to do with it that may save you.
Today my choice of a retirement/LEOSA weapon is a J-frame. Specifically, one of my M&P 340's. It's the first one I bought, back in '05 (from the first production run, I was told by the factory). It's been used as an armorer 'practice' gun after my armorer class, and a range beater as well as an off-duty and later retirement weapon. It's seen a few cases of ammunition fired through it for range work (drills, quals, etc). A couple hundred Magnum rounds, but primarily +P and some occasional standard pressure Ball loads (if available in the range inventory). I carry +P in it.
Why won’t more ordinary people carry carry guns.
Wonder if Vejar was an illegal who was following the law prohibiting him from having a gun?
Countrycuz
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I'm sorry, the chance of this happening to me is almost zero. The time I'll take planning for it, almost zero. There are a lot of things that get you.
THE PILGRIM
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When I pulled down on those Texas goats - sneaking me in the dark-
I did draw my 19 and I was ready to shoot.
Drew my 19, turned around and turned on my flashlight.
There they were !
5-6 goofy looking looking Hair Goats.
Did you know that they raise Hair Goats out in West Texas ?
I did draw my 19 and I was ready to shoot.
Drew my 19, turned around and turned on my flashlight.
There they were !
5-6 goofy looking looking Hair Goats.
Did you know that they raise Hair Goats out in West Texas ?
Forget the concealed carry situation. Your reference is the most terrifying thing in this thread
. Serpico, the man who served, got shot, risked life and limb in his service and then after a single one night stand, lost over 90% of his pension that he worked so hard for.I will definitely take getting shot, please
.Regarding concealed carry and this topic... Again. Sometimes it is what you don't plan for that gets you. In fact, your Serpico reference makes a lot of sense that way. He was well equipped and survived all the bad guys, but who would have known that in the end, his life's work would be taken by his lack of preparation in love, not in war?
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Answer to the original question , Yes . In this situation the counter man would not have needed to depend only on a pocket gun . The other victim I can't say without way more info than what was given here. Was the second victim armed ?
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Yep - or to use another movie reference while still back to self defense, as the Duke said in his last, 'The Shootist': "There's always some six-fingered bustard that couldn't hit a cow in the tit with a tin cup. That's the one who usually does you in."Forget the concealed carry situation. Your reference is the most terrifying thing in this thread
I will definitely take getting shot, please
Regarding concealed carry and this topic... Again. Sometimes it is what you don't plan for that gets you. In fact, your Serpico reference makes a lot of sense that way. He was well equipped and survived all the bad guys, but who would have known that in the end, his life's work would be taken by his lack of preparation in love, not in war?
'You can't always count on luck, but luck sure does count!' It just so happens to work that way for the bad guys too
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I threw down on a cow at work one night
My mentality is different than most of you when I’m out and about. I think like a criminal because that’s what I dealt with during my career. I’m ALWAYS aware of my surroundings and will see the criminal before they see me. Therefore I don’t worry about being surprised. My ffl pickup spot is a local pawn shop, so I’m always watching the door anyway. I’ve also been in gunfights, so been there, done that. Shooting somebody that was trying to shoot at me was way easier than anybody led us to believe at the academy. Bottom line guys, if it’s them or you dead, you better be cold blooded and make sure it’s them.
There are times you may not have a choice and the handgun you carry could dictate the outcome. I was involved in an off duty shooting in 1988 with two armed bad guys. My family was with me which made it really bad. I have carried a full sized Gov't model all my life, on and off duty but had recently started carrying a Colts Officer's model off duty. WE were literally cornered and out of options. One bad guy threatened me and told me that after he killed me he was going to shoot my family. He started to pull a long gun out of his car (latter determined to be an SKS. I shot him first and another guy opened up on me with a Browning Hi-Power. I had moved away from my family (still in the car)and was standing literally on a manhole cover in the middle of the street. The guy with the pistol opened up on me (13 empty cases in the street) I ended up hitting him with the next to last round in the pistol. After it was all said and done I went back to carrying a full sized pistol again and a spare mag. At that time if I could have figured out how to carry a shotgun or rifle, I think I would have. Small handguns are great until you really need them.
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