Trust CS9 With My Life???

[josp]

Surveyor

I just read this old post and wondered on what load you settled for?

I am issued a Glock 45 (G37) and like it a lot. But for my backup and off duty carry, it's my CS9 all the time.

I've tried lots of loads, not all to be sure, but I'm carrying CorBon DPX 115 based on my own penetreation and accuracy tests. Nothing has beat them in my gun.

My thoughts on the 40 align with yours after years of being issued a Beretta 40 and wasn't pleased with either the platform of the round. But that's been my experience.

I have no problem trustuing my CS9 and the DPX round with my and my faminles lioves. The choice is yours.

 

[kbm6893]

Originally posted by Fastbolt:
Congrats on your purchase.

I tend to replace my recoil springs much sooner than the normal 'recommendations' in the armorer classes. They're pretty inexpensive, all things considered. Less expensive than magazine springs, anyway. To offset the added shipping costs for such a small item I decided to order several recoil springs at a time whenever I place an order. Easier that way, and I've pretty much always got them at hand.

I especially replace the recoil springs sooner when I'm using +P & +P+ ammunition in my CS9. I carry a load we used to issue for 9mm weapons, the Winchester RA9TA, which is their 127gr T-Series +P+ load, and it generates some noticeable felt recoil. I used a couple or so boxes of the Remington 115gr +P+ LE round when I was initially breaking in my CS9, along with some Remington 124gr +P Golden Sabre loads, among other loads, and the Remington 115gr +P+ seemed to generate noticeably more felt recoil.

The bulk of my usual training & practice over the years has been done with whatever standard pressure 147gr JHP's were on the CA state contract, although since the new contract has Remington 124gr +P GS 9mm loads on it, I imagine I'll be doing more shooting with the +P loads. I also imagine I'll be going through recoil & magazine springs a bit more often, too.

S&W shipped me a recoil spring free of charge for my 3913. All I had to do was ask and I had it in three days.

 

[Fastbolt]

S&W shipped me a recoil spring free of charge for my 3913. All I had to do was ask and I had it in three days.

They're pretty good about customer support issues like that ...

I just do a bit more shooting than the average owner might do, with a number of different guns, and I tend to use a few springs from time to time.

 

[BighandEd]

dude...trust your CS.
of the various pistols I own, my CS40 DAO has never ever ever failed in anyway. I've had other pistols that I wanted to love, they were so purty and sexy and had a name on them, etc..and yet, they left me worried as range time had them FTFeed or jam for one reason of the other. The CS is a chuncky lil thing for carry, and yet it fits my hand well..my DAO trigger pull means I will likely never achieve a great level of accuracy, but its a defense gun..and dirt simple to use..no safety..just point and pull...but most important..it is 100% reliable.

 

[rocky]

I purchased my CS40 not long after they were introduced and have never had a jam, never had any feed issues, never had any malfunctions regardless of what type of ammo I have put through it.

I think the CS line of Smith semi's is a hidden gem (shame they stopped making the CS40) and have no problem putting my trust in it as a carry weapon.

 

[Andy Griffith]

Originally posted by HOUSTON RICK:
The major categories of lies in this world are are:
1. Little lies.
2. Big Lies.
3. Statistics.
4. EVERYTHING THAT A SALESMAN SAYS.

I have to disagree on number four. I once met a salesman that only lied with every third word.

And number five...everytime a lawyer gets up in the morning.

(Sorry Caje...couldn't resist!)

 

[mitchpilot]

I'm always leery of people who paint with such a broad brush: "No Smith semi-auto can be trusted." "Glocks are perfect." "9mm (or .40S&W, or .45 or .357, etc...) are the best self-defense round." "DAO (or 1911's, etc) are the best guns to carry."

Bottom line: There is no perfect gun and no one solution that is perfect for everyone's situation. Pick a gun by a quality manufacturer (no Hi-Points) that feels comfortable, fits your hand well, and feeds your favorite ammo reliably. And never trust broad, sweeping generalizations - including this one!

 

[Firehouse]

I did a search on the CS9 and found this thread. It's an oldie but a goody. I have been thinking of a CS9 since I saw Big Dog trying to locate one in the classifieds. Looks like a good carry piece. Some of the newer 9mm loads coming out these days have renewed my interests in the caliber. I recall back in the 90's when the "wondernine" craze struck and then it began a huge decline once the .40S&W cartridge hit the market.

As I remember, I had a 4013 that was flawless. I could hit steel targets at 30+ yards with it. (With a bit of Mississippi windage applied). It was for fun of course after the serious stuff was over. I sold it after a friend of mine scared me into Glocks. My mistake. I wish I still had my 4013. I purchased a Glock 27. After owning it and trying to carry it a bit I discovered I hated it. Needless to say it belongs to someone else now. (As does my 4013

.)

Anyhow, I thought I'd bring this Titanic of a thread back to the top. Maybe it will renew interests in a fine carry weapon.

For the record, I am a salesman, (and a buyer) but I am more of an enthusiast than an entrepreneur and I base my opinions on what you guys say here and at similar venues. Along with personal experience and not just based on what Craig Boddington, Richard Venola and Co. have to say, the fine gentleman that they are.

By the way, thanks for the excellent intel on this weapon from Fastbolt, Houston Rick and others!

 

[Shorty4T]

Thanks Firehouse for reviving this thread. I just brought home my new to me CS40 today. Pics will follow once I get a chance to clean her up a bit. This is going to be a great carry piece no doubt.

Some observations comparing it to one of my Shorty Fortys. The slide on the little CS isn't so little compared to the Shorty. The barrel is 1/4" shorter and the grip frame is shorter. Of course the grip thickness is something less with the CS. All in all it will be a nice carry piece.

This pistol of course was purchased used, however in great shape. There were some little hiccups upon initial inspection. The SA trigger had a little click to it on the initial pull. Thanks to SW CBQ 45 and an achieved thread that was an easy fix. The DA trigger was typical S&W DA weight, rather heavy for my taste. However this pistol will soon head off to the S&W PC for a little tune up and night sights. I've done this with all of my carry pieces with the exception of pistols that came from the PC originally.

The standard magazine extensions like many other CS shooters digs into my pinky finger with the point of the forward curve. I'll add the flatter 4013 magazine butt plates and this should cure that problem and enhance concealability.

All of these modifications are well documented in these forums. Thanks all for the enormous amount of knowledge that these posters possess.

Cheers,
Sam

 

[Fastbolt]

Well, I haven't changed any of my opinions regarding the CS9.

Matter of fact, I'm finally going to get around to installing some night sights on mine.

 

[msh85csa]

I hear some pretty dumb stuff from gun salesmen almost every time I go into a shop.

 

[yashua-p]

I am sure that when you say that a CS9 is superior to the CS45 you are suggestion that applies to to you only and not to the CS line altogther.

 

[Fastbolt]

If you're referring to a previous post of mine ... I was commenting that I prefer the CS9 to the CS45 for personal considerations which seem reasonable to me, not that the CS9 is 'superior' to the CS45. I actually have many more rounds through my CS45, and I originally invested more attention to it than the CS9 (which followed later).

My CS45 has had the slide modified to accept the spring-loaded, decock-only option, and I have an early set of Ashley Express sights on it with the Big Dot front night sight. I have more holsters for it than I do my CS9, too.

I simply find the dimensions of the slightly smaller CS9, and the controllability of the lesser recoiling .45 ACP cartridge, to offer me more of what I generally prefer in a small, subcompact-type pistol.

I have no plans to get rid of my CS45 anytime soon ... but I tend to carry the CS9 more often.

When it comes to very small .45 pistol platforms I think the CS45 is possibly one of the best of what's been produced to date.

However, when it comes to overall recoil management and controllability in a small .45 pistol, I think the slightly larger 4513TSW/457 platform offers many folks a bit better package.

 

[greengael]

msh, apropos of your comment re stupid things you hear in gun shops, I was in one yesterday and asked to look at the two s/s cs45s' that were in the case. Looked at them and they apeared pretty clean, asked the clerk[somewhat new to the shaving razor I suspect]if he had a cs9 available, he checked and said no, but "you don't want a nine anyway". I said "no?"He said "you want to make BIG holes".I told him that a wise philosopher once said , Placement is King , penetration is Queen and every thing else is academic.[with apologies to Erich].Different strokes for different folks .

 

[triaxle]

That fastbolt is a cool guy . I agree and enjoyed his input.

 

[jaysouth]

Last week I picked up my CS-9 from Summit Gun Broker. I assume it was a police tradein. There is lots of wear on the outside, lots of crud on the inside, but little wear(carried daily-shot semiannually).

I took it to the range and subjected it to the ultimate test, my reloads. 200 rounds of my cast lead reloads could not induce a bobble of any sort. I then fired a hundred rounds of WW white box. No problems. Then a couple of mags of Hydra-shoks to blow the crud out of the barrel, no problems.

Accuracy was minute of paper plate.

Next weekend, I will shoot a couple of hundred more rounds then clean it. At that point it should be good for daily carry. By the way, it fits my Kramer 3913 leather perfectly.

I have an old 908 and two 3913s. The CS-9 is a welcome addition to the sub compact S&W family.

Fastbolt, thanks for your insights.

 

[Firehouse]

I talked to Mark at Summit Gun Broker the other day and he is out of the CS9's at the moment but he is anticipating getting more in. Here is a link to his site if anyone needs it. He has a lot of other good deals on various firearms.

Summit Gun Broker

 

[SW CQB 45]

Since I recently went 1911 for carry,

plain clothes and duty.

I was wondering about the status of my CS9D.

I really like the talk about a SA EMP 9mm, but looking at the price

justs turns me away.

My CS9D rides in a FAT BOY with me daily and is considered a back up. I have 5 mags ready to go.

Total investment is less than $500 with gun, mods, mags and holsters (OWB & IWB).

I shot it about 2 weeks ago and it quickly made my mine up its a keeper.

 

[jaysouth]

Originally posted by SW CQB 45:
Since I recently went 1911 for carry,

plain clothes and duty.

I was wondering about the status of my CS9D.

I really like the talk about a SA EMP 9mm, but looking at the price

justs turns me away.

My CS9D rides in a FAT BOY with me daily and is considered a back up. I have 5 mags ready to go.

Total investment is less than $500 with gun, mods, mags and holsters (OWB & IWB).

I shot it about 2 weeks ago and it quickly made my mine up its a keeper.

Where did you get those grips?

 

[Shorty4T]

Originally posted by jaysouth:

Where did you get those grips?

Hi Jay South, many members make the grips from 3913 for 9mm or 4516 for 40 & 45. However there is one forum member that does make them for a small fee, Bigdog. If you will search for CS45 grips you will come up with his name and contact info as well as how he came to make them.

Cheers,
Sam