US Postal Service not a Government job?

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I received a form by US Mail asking for information that would let the US District Court to decide if I am eligible to be a juror in a Federal Criminal trial.

One of the questions asked if I was a US Government employee (which I am not) but explained that US Postal Service employees are not US Goverment employees..

The next question asked if I worked for the US Postal Service and explained again that Postal Employees are not US Government workers.

Some how this seems strange to me. Why are not people working for the US Government not a US Government employee?
 
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I guess it depends on your definition of "work" If it means a full day's work for a full day's pay, then the post office...and most gov't employees are exempt.
 
The Postal Service was converted from an agency of the US Government to an independent Federally-chartered corporation in 1971. That is why they are not technically US Government employees for the purposes of Federal jury selection. The USPS has not accepted a public service subsidy since 1982.


Bullseye
 
Does that apply to Hollywood Super Stars, Models and "Pro" Athletes as well??:rolleyes:

For athletes and models, no (although athletic training can be grueling, as can throwing up 7 times a day)...but superstar actors work much longer hours than most gov't employees....of course, it's only 6-8 weeks at a time...:)
 
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This brings up another point.
If they are not federal - that means that the buildings are not federal buildings. How can they display the no gun signs pertaining to federal property, legally?
 
Bullseye, I did a search for "USPS deficit" and got a confusing array of results. Some say yes, some say no, but it seems Congress gives them money every year, either way.
 
This brings up another point.
If they are not federal - that means that the buildings are not federal buildings. How can they display the no gun signs pertaining to federal property, legally?
This the wonderfull thing of the Federal Umbrella and do as we say and not as we do.
Same thing here in FLA at the National Cemetary, sign states no firearms allowed.
 
Bullseye, I did a search for "USPS deficit" and got a confusing array of results. Some say yes, some say no, but it seems Congress gives them money every year, either way.


Heheheheh. It's government budgeting. . .you expected something other than confusion? ;)

Here's the way I think it works: Congress mandates the terms of service provided by USPS. Thus, for example, you and I pay the same 44¢ to mail a first-class letter across the street or across the continent. Books and educational media may be sent at a subsidized rate. Federal Express and UPS cannot by law leave a delivery in your mailbox. And so on. . .

Because of these "non-market forces" the Post Office cannot charge full value for all of the services it delivers. In those years, Congress makes up the difference between revenue collected and the revenue which would have been collected had Congress not imposed terms of service that cause USPS to be unable to charge full price (cost) for its services. No other subsidies are supposed to be forthcoming.

People like to complain, but in 1971 dollars, a first class stamp actually costs less today than it did in 1971 (I think that was the year) when the Postal Service became a government-sponsored corporation. I just sent a book to Onomea in Tokyo for a measly eleven bucks, and it got there in four days. FedEx would have been four times that, and no better service.

This isn't to say that I do not love FedEx -- they are my go-to carrier when a critical document, or money, has to get there by a time certain. On the other hand, when I get an Express Mail envelope, my rural PO calls me at 8:00 AM and asks if I want to wait until the carrier brings it at 3:00 in the afternoon, or pick it up myself beforehand. That's a courtesy, and I appreciate it.

In a small rural community, there are no slackers on the public payroll. Your customers are your neighbors and everyone knows you, and your business, "so be good for goodness' sake." The postal workers I know bust their hind quarters getting the mail out on time.

The TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority) is another quasi-government corporation, and so is the FDIC -- the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Most notoriously, so too are Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae.

This link describes further this hybrid critter -- the quasi-governmental corporation: Government-owned corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Oh. The reason you cannot bring a firearm into a Post Office is because these are actually owned or rented by the General Services Administration and then leased to Postal Service. So, the facilities are indeed "Fedrul proppity."



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"I guess it depends on your definition of "work" If it means a full day's work for a full day's pay, then the post office...and most gov't employees are exempt."

Well, I take exception to that comment.

I worked as a rural carrier part time for a while. It was one of the harder jobs I have had. Lots of time spent on your feet sorting mail before you load your vehicle and start your route. The supervisors want you get the mail out in the shortest time possible. That's fine, unless you are new and trying to learn your route, which is pretty hard when you only work one day every two weeks.

I'm glad I'm back totin' a badge instead.

Oh, and I work in a Federal government office. Those ladies bust their butts trying to make the public happy. The above comment does NOT apply to them.
 
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This brings up another point.
If they are not federal - that means that the buildings are not federal buildings. How can they display the no gun signs pertaining to federal property, legally?

By making agency rules under the Federal authority, like AMTRAK and , until recently, the NPS.
There is a Federal lawsuit in CO, I believe, on this subject, but I wouldn't hold my breath on getting it overturned in the courts. Most certain way is the way they did the NPS: act of Congress. It the meantime, all the internet buzz that "they can't arrest you in the Post Office" is hooey.
 
"I guess it depends on your definition of "work" If it means a full day's work for a full day's pay, then the post office...and most gov't employees are exempt."

I find your statement very offensive. I have worked for the USPS twenty- four years and it has more than gotten it's share of work out of me and most everyone I have ever worked with. The majority of us earn every dime we take home and give up our lunch and break time to try and get done A.S.A.P. Still, we make few people, be they customers or upper management, happy.

My wife is a county library employee who has gone without a pay increase for three years and will likely endure furloughs this coming year. Those 250+ employees would disagree with you as well.
 
As a court reporter, I was an employee of the State of Colorado for a number of years. Part of our compensation comes from the production of transcript. We provide our own equipment and produce the transcripts at our own cost.
From 1981 to 1999, there was no raise in the compensation for transcript production. Then it went up 17%. In 2004, they took away our ability to sell copies; the state now takes all the copy money.
BTW, how long did you have to live on 1981 money?
Obviously, not a postal employee, but "govt" all the same.
 
I guess it depends on your definition of "work" If it means a full day's work for a full day's pay, then the post office...and most gov't employees are exempt.

Hmmm..LEO is a government employee. lol
And I was a government employee for 32 years before my retirement.
 
I guess it depends on your definition of "work" If it means a full day's work for a full day's pay, then the post office...and most gov't employees are exempt.

Could apply to almost any job... anytime I'm asked, "how many people work here?", the standard answer is always.... "about half of us."
 
BTW, how long did you have to live on 1981 money?

Most of my working life. Transportation rates haven't changed substantially since "deregulation." (that's in quotes because trucking is one of the most regulated industries in the US) The only way I can get a raise is to become more efficient or do more work. I've done both, but I concentrate more on the first.
 
The mis-impression that is continually fostered is that a LOT of government employees don't work hard.

Tell that to the family of the Border patrolman just killed a few days back.

As for me, not many people can actually do the job of air traffic control very well, day in and day out. We have a lot of them only because the FAA is refusing to properly hire and train competent people.

But ALL ATC's, when they are plugged in, are earning their money, even the mediocre ones.

I've seen "lazy-birds" in all walks and jobs, civilian as well as government.
 
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